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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 4, 2024 12:13:52 GMT
Strathmartine Transfers: Stage 2: TUSC elimnated: Non-transferable 46 Ld 20 (932) Lab 18 (929) SNP 17 (1205) Grn 13 *134) Con 2 (145) Stage 3: Grn elimnated: SNP 55 (1260) LD 31 (963) Non-transferrable 25 (71) Lab 18 (947) Con 5 (150) Stage 4: Con eliminated: Non-transferrable 58 (129) LD 53 (1016) Lab 25 (972) SNP 14 (1274) Stage 5: Lab eliminated: Non-transferrable 442 (571) LD 378 (1394) SNP 152 (1426) I'm loving the 2 TUSC to Tory transfers. Back in the day SSP or Solidarity transfers to Con were not as rare as one night expect... |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 4, 2024 12:14:13 GMT
The recriminations have started, but Scottish Labour voted for the WFA policy so they can hardly blame Starmer alone for WFA. The freebie stuff though, that has hurt Scottish Labour and it is Starmer’s fault.
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 4, 2024 12:19:10 GMT
The SNPs margin in Lochee was more than 1 vote that didn't transfer from Con so I doubt Chagos impacted any of yesterday's results and could maybe be discussed elsewhere.
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Post by islington on Oct 4, 2024 12:25:40 GMT
From Pippa Crear for the Guardian, re:Chagos "🌏Chagos Island deal has descended into huge political blame game... There were 13 rounds of talks with Mauritius, 11 of which took place under Tory govt who started process. So far, Tom Tugendhat has blamed James Cleverly who has blamed Liz Truss who has blamed Boris Johnson who now says agreement is "completely wrong" to do. Labour claims they had no choice but to sign deal because of legal mess left behind." Labour shouldn't be trying to excuse themselves. They should be proud of removing a long-festering sore. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 4, 2024 12:30:55 GMT
Lochee transfers are up on the council website.
Non-transferrable comfortably getting most transfers at every stage.
WP broke for Alba ahead of Lab
LD for Lab ahead of Con and Grn
Alba for SNP way ahead of Lab
Grn for SNP ahead of Lab
Con for Lab
Final SNP margin 33 votes.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 4, 2024 12:31:49 GMT
The SNPs margin in Lochee was more than 1 vote that didn't transfer from Con so I doubt Chagos impacted any of yesterday's results and could maybe be discussed elsewhere. You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 4, 2024 12:32:17 GMT
From Pippa Crear for the Guardian, re:Chagos "🌏Chagos Island deal has descended into huge political blame game... There were 13 rounds of talks with Mauritius, 11 of which took place under Tory govt who started process. So far, Tom Tugendhat has blamed James Cleverly who has blamed Liz Truss who has blamed Boris Johnson who now says agreement is "completely wrong" to do. Labour claims they had no choice but to sign deal because of legal mess left behind." If there are n rounds of negotiations, the only one which matters is the nth round which ends in an agreement. The n-1 rounds beforehand do not mean that anybody is to blame for anything if the people doing the n-1 rounds of negotiations did not agree to the nth. If the Conservative government did 11 rounds of talks about the issue, they shouldn’t be blamed if Starmer suddenly did an unforced surrender on the 13th. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 4, 2024 12:34:58 GMT
The SNPs margin in Lochee was more than 1 vote that didn't transfer from Con so I doubt Chagos impacted any of yesterday's results and could maybe be discussed elsewhere. You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. Calm down, hen. I was replying to Dok's post not yours. |
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Post by batman on Oct 4, 2024 12:57:52 GMT
I'm loving the 2 TUSC to Tory transfers. Back in the day SSP or Solidarity transfers to Con were not as rare as one night expect... it's not all that surprising. Many of their supporters are motivated primarily by hatred of Labour. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 4, 2024 13:37:27 GMT
You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. Calm down, hen. I was replying to Dok's post not yours. No you weren’t, because you didn’t quote which bit you were responding to. In the absence of specifying (quoting) which bit you were responding to, it is reasonable to assume that you were replying to the post immediately above yours, i.e. Forfarshire Conservative’s one. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 4, 2024 13:44:54 GMT
The SNPs margin in Lochee was more than 1 vote that didn't transfer from Con so I doubt Chagos impacted any of yesterday's results and could maybe be discussed elsewhere. You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. Meanwhile, it is reasonable to assume that the Chagos Islands decision was indeed the issue being referred to, because Forfarshire Conservative wrote I’ve just been to vote, and luckily the polling station is in the building where I live. I voted Conservative for my first and only preference. I was going to second pref Labour, but not after today. so therefore it isn’t only Tony Otim who is “harping on about” the Chagos Islands issue. |
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Post by right on Oct 4, 2024 13:46:30 GMT
Blackpool Marton RefUK 462 Lab 334 Con 254 Ind 84 LD 33 Green 25 Obviously with a poster living in the Dundee ward Scotland got the attention (and Chagos islands, obvs) but this looks like really unusual news. This should be a seat with at least a functioning Tory association to pick up on a Labour slump and I've not heard of Blackpool as being a Reform or old UKIP strong point. Any idea on what's going on here? |
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Post by sanders on Oct 4, 2024 13:49:02 GMT
You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. Calm down, hen. I was replying to Dok's post not yours. Can we not call people 'hen'? I often swear here but still... |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 4, 2024 13:51:43 GMT
You may wish to reread the article. Nobody mentioned the surrender of the BIOT, it’s you who is still harping on about it. Meanwhile, it is reasonable to assume that the Chagos Islands decision was indeed the issue being referred to, because Forfarshire Conservative wrote I’ve just been to vote, and luckily the polling station is in the building where I live. I voted Conservative for my first and only preference. I was going to second pref Labour, but not after today. so therefore it isn’t only Tony Otim who is “harping on about” the Chagos Islands issue. That was yesterday, when I talked about why I voted. The post above his was about WFA, which has hurt them in Dundee; I know it has, and it’s why they lost. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 4, 2024 13:58:07 GMT
I doubt the Chagos Islands had any serious impact in yesterday's by-elections. That's not to say it's not important but still, is there a more appropriate thread for this?
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 4, 2024 14:03:15 GMT
Calm down, hen. I was replying to Dok's post not yours. No you weren’t, because you didn’t quote which bit you were responding to. In the absence of specifying (quoting) which bit you were responding to, it is reasonable to assume that you were replying to the post immediately above yours, i.e. Forfarshire Conservative’s one. I hadn't even seen that post when I replied. My post was clearly referring to one issue which was irrelevant to these by-elections, his was clearly about the elections and a completely different issue. Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking can see they're not related and only a complete booliak would try to link them. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 4, 2024 14:07:24 GMT
SNP proving to be a bit more transfer friendly in Dundee than in the Highlands. They really shouldn't have won with those first preference leads. (I think). perhaps the local council is acknowledged to be doing a good job. I guess Forfarshire Conservative might have a handle on that more than the rest of us DCC are doing alright, at least under the previous administration. There has been a recent change in council leadership, so it’s too soon to tell if that remains. But with recent investment, new build social housing and a regeneration of some areas, they’re not awful. The council’s budget deficit of £24 million is also on the lower side in terms of comparable councils too. Aberdeen is over £50 million for instance and North Lanarkshire is over £30 million. It’s not simply the just about passable performance of DCC though. The WFA allowance has hurt Labour in Dundee. A lot of pensioners who do need it and are just above the Pensioner Credit threshold are losing it, and they are very unhappy about it. Apparently it was raised continuously on the doorsteps. There’s also city funding. The city was due to receive £20 million in levelling up funding under the previous government, but Labour have now questioned that. It has received publicity in Dundee’s famously robust local press and I wouldn’t be surprised if that had played a wee bit of a role too. To be frank, Starmer is also doing a lot to handicap Sarwar. Paul Hutcheon, Labour client journo at the Record, has been reporting on a collapse in relations between Sarwar and Starmer, and I can’t blame Sarwar tbh. Sarwar promised Scots no austerity and he attacked the SNP and Conservatives from the centre left in a change message, that’s in tatters now. People are still sick of the SNP, but Scottish Labour has lost a bit of its shine as an attractive alternative. |
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Post by andrewp on Oct 4, 2024 14:11:23 GMT
Blackpool Marton RefUK 462 Lab 334 Con 254 Ind 84 LD 33 Green 25 Obviously with a poster living in the Dundee ward Scotland got the attention (and Chagos islands, obvs) but this looks like really unusual news. This should be a seat with at least a functioning Tory association to pick up on a Labour slump and I've not heard of Blackpool as being a Reform or old UKIP strong point. Any idea on what's going on here? A few possible factors were a) REfUK were 2nd in the GE here so had some momentum and might have done some work to build on then , b) Blackpool would share some of the deprived seaside town characteristics of eg Clacton and Great Yarmouth, c) a previous Con councillor for the ward was the Indy so it’s a fair bet his votes came disproportionately from the Cons and d) the REFUK winner had previously stood as an Independent so wasn’t perhaps as new to local politics as some of their people and seemed to have quite a reasonable social media presence. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 4, 2024 14:25:51 GMT
Calm down, hen. I was replying to Dok's post not yours. Can we not call people 'hen'? I often swear here but still... Fine, duck. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 4, 2024 14:27:47 GMT
Can we not call people 'hen'? I often swear here but still... Fine, duck. Where? |
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