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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 16:01:21 GMT
STIRLING Dunblane and Bridge of Allan Stuart McLuckie (Scottish Conservative and Unionist) 1,143 David Wilson (Scottish Labour Party) 952 John Watson (Scottish National Party (SNP)) 770 Andrew Adam (Scottish Greens) 659 Dick Moerman (Scottish Liberal Democrats) 345 Alastair George Majury (Independent) 225 E. 12,057; quota 2,048 David Wilson elected at stage 6 Conservatives with by far the more popular candidate here. Labour however manage to pick up the dregs and crawl over the line. Desperate stuff. But, such is STV. It is a vivid example of an election being determined by the least valued votes of the least valued voters |
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Post by stb12 on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:30 GMT
I agree. I don’t see a lot of value in keeping it open now Now that you have had your 50 odd contributions. It could be set to falling of course. We’ll give that a try I enjoy moderation overall but life is definitely too short to be dealing with an independent local by-election candidacy discussion for weeks on end |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 23, 2024 16:11:17 GMT
There is no valid reason to lock the thread. The reasons offered are that one member *may* to respond to every post on the thread and *may* do so in a manner that others find disturbing or that it *may* not be in the interests of his well-being to do so. It would be a total overreaction and predictably is supported by those who regard free speech as of no value but failure to protect against every imaginable and unimaginable hurt as far too great a risk to take. Where is the risk? If all your worst fears come true, then the Mod locks the thread or bans the members for another term. While the rest of the Forum continue to discuss an election, which is pretty much the principle function of the Forum. Anyone who wishes can choose mark this thread "read" and not be bothered by it. Personally I am not very interested in this by-election, a long way away from Scotland, so have contributed very little to it, unlike many of you. But I am interested in the legal question. Does a handwritten note require an imprint? I will start a separate thread as it is an interesting* question to which I do not believe we have had a definitive answer to date. * "interesting" as in of interest to people who take an interest in such matters. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 16:13:32 GMT
Indeed, it is a wider psephological/legal question, not a by-election one. As indeed was the long discussion about how to increase turnout, to which you contributed at length
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 23, 2024 16:40:01 GMT
Conservatives with by far the more popular candidate here. Labour however manage to pick up the dregs and crawl over the line. Desperate stuff. But, such is STV. It is a vivid example of an election being determined by the least valued votes of the least valued voters Single Non Transferable Vote (SNTV) is the way to go. In a 4-seat ward, the 4 candidates with the most votes win. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 16:51:14 GMT
It is a vivid example of an election being determined by the least valued votes of the least valued voters Single Non Transferable Vote (SNTV) is the way to go. In a 4-seat ward, the 4 candidates with the most votes win. Surely it results in the same undernomination by party managers that is common in STV. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 23, 2024 16:52:55 GMT
Single Non Transferable Vote (SNTV) is the way to go. In a 4-seat ward, the 4 candidates with the most votes win. Surely it results in the same undernomination by party managers that is common in STV. That's the parties' problem, not the voters'. |
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Post by r34t on Aug 23, 2024 19:02:04 GMT
Yes, I tried to point out that he needed an imprint on leaflets & was threatened with legal action  Does hand written material require an imprint? He was talking about photocopying, so at that point it would |
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Post by r34t on Aug 23, 2024 19:04:03 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive Just out of curiosity, why is it unhealthy & why can’t grownups decide for themselves what they do & don’t want to do ? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 23, 2024 19:06:54 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive Just out of curiosity, why is it unhealthy & why can’t grownups decide for themselves what they do & don’t want to do ? Context is all. Weld/sanders is not an ordinary case. We've got to be aware that carrying on a thread from which they were blocked isn't the best look |
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Post by r34t on Aug 23, 2024 19:16:03 GMT
Just out of curiosity, why is it unhealthy & why can’t grownups decide for themselves what they do & don’t want to do ? Context is all. Weld/sanders is not an ordinary case. We've got to be aware that carrying on a thread from which they were blocked isn't the best look & so what ? We talk about politicians all the time, if you are a candidate or were a candidate then you are a politician. Not covered by the ‘right to be forgotten’. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 23, 2024 19:21:55 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive Just out of curiosity, why is it unhealthy & why can’t grownups decide for themselves what they do & don’t want to do ? They can, but the effect on others often has to be considered too. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 19:22:51 GMT
The thread that includes a very interesting by-election in Scotland and many interesting detours into interesting stuff.
These things are not less important than you feeling anguished especially given that so many things make you feel anguished.
Maxim Parr Reid has not asked for it to be locked. Only some self-appointed censors and potentially a moderator team who want a lesser workload.
Despite having no actual evidence that he might cause them work and no actual overwhelming need for them do do anything regardless of what MPR does. They and everyone else could choose to block him or mark the thread read. But that does not work for you. You need to see something "powerful" You need to dictate to others.
This thread has taken a turn, it is no longer about MPR, it is about passive-aggressive thuggery, where spurious claims are made to justify the removal of opportunities to others
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 19:29:03 GMT
Just out of curiosity, why is it unhealthy & why can’t grownups decide for themselves what they do & don’t want to do ? They can, but the effect on others often has to be considered too. I have considered it There's sixty seconds I won't get back Have you tried CBBC? |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 23, 2024 19:29:56 GMT
They can, but the effect on others often has to be considered too. I have considered it There's sixty seconds I won't get back Have you tried CBBC? Sixty seconds?
As much as that. I had you down for fifteen, tops.
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Post by sonofkrautrock on Aug 23, 2024 21:21:45 GMT
I’m not sure I’ve commented on this, rather special thread until now. But I think it’s run its course now I’ve commented on it. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 21:39:26 GMT
That is hardly a solid dynamic by which to determine that a thread ought to be locked And if you are not sure if you have commented, then you go to the >>>>>>Local By elections page then click on "posts" and it tells you who has all posted and how many times, for example batman, over 50 posts before he decided that the thread ought to now be closed, having very belatedly determined that he had nothing further useful to contribute I had not posted at all on this thread until recently. I didnt come in and state that the thread ought to be locked because I had nothing to say on it. Nor do I breenge in and ask for it to be re-opened because I have belatedly thought of something As to the Moderation team (is it still a team? ) when I held their exalted poistion it never occurred to me to shut down a thread because I could not be bothered to Moderate it. On the Contrary, if I could not be bothered to Moderate it, I did not bother to Moderate it |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 24, 2024 6:08:13 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive There is a well-known message board phenomenon in which one of the... er... odder... members of the community engages in increasingly strange and foolish behaviour in the real world and posts updates of it on the forum, to which other members of the community start to follow and comment on in the manner of a reality television show. I've seen it happen and it rarely ends terribly well. Did it end? That sounds ominous. I'm out of the loop. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 24, 2024 8:48:00 GMT
This thread has taken a turn, it is no longer about MPR, it is about passive-aggressive thuggery, where spurious claims are made to justify the removal of opportunities to others This is putting it a bit strong, surely. |
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Post by batman on Aug 24, 2024 9:56:18 GMT
It's hardly unknown for him to talk in a rather hyperbolic way.
Personally I find it hard to believe that I'm a passive-aggressive thug, but who knows, I could be totally wrong there.
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