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Post by london(ex)tory on Aug 21, 2024 18:14:45 GMT
I mentioned it in the mod discussion thread but not everyone may have seen it, in order to avoid giving more material to be responded to when the time comes can we please move on from discussing that particular candidacy and discuss other aspects of these elections if desired? Understood and agreed. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 21, 2024 18:27:18 GMT
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Post by batman on Aug 21, 2024 19:08:28 GMT
hondootedly Mosses Thotcher
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 21, 2024 20:47:22 GMT
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Post by r34t on Aug 21, 2024 20:59:29 GMT
I mentioned it in the mod discussion thread but not everyone may have seen it, in order to avoid giving more material to be responded to when the time comes can we please move on from discussing that particular candidacy and discuss other aspects of these elections if desired? Hmm, yes, I know what you mean sort of but ...... It was possibly performance art, in which case I agree that the case needs to be closed. But if it was genuine, then the insight into the thinking of an indie candidate was really interesting. Most of us have been around for long enough to know how elections work & (in the broadest sense) know what is likely to happen. Any illusions were battered away years ago  But Sand/weld seemed to genuinely believe he was going to win. He genuinely seemed to believe his handwritten campaign was catching peoples imagination & dissolving their apathy. He was surfing the zeitgeist & would be the local MP in just a few years. It's interesting because he's not the only candidate who I've come across recently being totally deluded about how they were doing in an election. One of the indie candidates during the recent GE turned up at the count, stayed for about half an hour during the verification process & then disappeared. I didn't notice him go, but did ask where he had got to ? I was told that he left when he realised he wasn't winning (to put it mildly) but had been absolutely convinced he was the next MP. I do know him, he is a unitary councillor, so some understanding how these things work. His performance at hustings hadn't been great ( being polite). His campaign, leaflets, canvassing, social media, was non-existent. But he was convinced. So I've found this thread baffling, irritating but fascinating in equal measure, because it's not something we usually see. Not that I want to see a replay. Just to be clear  |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 21, 2024 21:05:09 GMT
Don’t forget the Rory Bremner version from 1990
“As you join us here at the beginning of the Parliamentary recess, Mrs Thatcher, as leader of her party, is still trying to keep the ship of state on the road without going off the rails, as Michael Heseltine, back in the forefront once more, threw a spanner in the ointment with a predictability few could have foreseen. With some Conservatives unanimously divided, it's high time the party met together behind closed doors and thrashed it out in the open; though the Prime Minister may well find at the end of the day the game's not worth the candle it's written on.
For Labour, it was a new kettle of ballgames having turned full circle, and the mouth's on the other foot. As Mr Kinnock told the House, the party's fortunes had turned the corner, gone full circle and there could be no turning back without going ahead and reversing the previous advances, winding down the window and being sick in a layby. Leaving side issues on the backburner, Labour must look long and hard over their shoulder at the problems facing them, and come up with not just viable alternatives, but ones that might work.
For the SLD, the road ahead is distinctly choppy, as they decide whether to jump in, grasp the nettle by the horns with both feet & milk it till the penny drops, or run it up the maypole with all flags blazing. For as sure as lemmings come home to roost, they must avoid the temptations of putting all their chickens in one basket - and only then will they know if they can reach the pot of gold at the end of the tunnel.
In the final rinse, it all adds down to money, and neither party can risk the expense of a free election at this stage. As any politician will tell you, it's never that simple. This is John Cole, for the Nine O'Clock News At Ten.“
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 22, 2024 12:12:48 GMT
The result in Scotland was a desperate win for them (at stage 6 !!) - the one in Wales You could barely get a cigarette paper between labour and the nationalist and in London the left wing vote ended up with 41% just 2% behind the labour vote. No one will be celebrating in Southworks. Good that this thread is unlocked so I can comment on this There is nothing "desperate" about Labour winning somewhere that returned Tory councillors even in the 1990s. Plaid were widely expected to take the Welsh seat, and in London there was the (still unexplained) disappearance of the previously elected councillor in a matter of weeks. Given that, I suspect Labour HQ were quite content - even if not ecstatic - with the results. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 22, 2024 15:12:18 GMT
The result in Scotland was a desperate win for them (at stage 6 !!) - the one in Wales You could barely get a cigarette paper between labour and the nationalist and in London the left wing vote ended up with 41% just 2% behind the labour vote. No one will be celebrating in Southworks. Good that this thread is unlocked so I can comment on this There is nothing "desperate" about Labour winning somewhere that returned Tory councillors even in the 1990s. Plaid were widely expected to take the Welsh seat, and in London there was the (still unexplained) disappearance of the previously elected councillor in a matter of weeks. Given that, I suspect Labour HQ were quite content - even if not ecstatic - with the results. And where is Southworks? |
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Post by batman on Aug 22, 2024 16:54:39 GMT
the South of Worwickshire.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 23, 2024 11:22:10 GMT
I mentioned it in the mod discussion thread but not everyone may have seen it, in order to avoid giving more material to be responded to when the time comes can we please move on from discussing that particular candidacy and discuss other aspects of these elections if desired? Hmm, yes, I know what you mean sort of but ...... It was possibly performance art, in which case I agree that the case needs to be closed. But if it was genuine, then the insight into the thinking of an indie candidate was really interesting. Most of us have been around for long enough to know how elections work & (in the broadest sense) know what is likely to happen. Any illusions were battered away years ago But Sand/weld seemed to genuinely believe he was going to win. He genuinely seemed to believe his handwritten campaign was catching peoples imagination & dissolving their apathy. He was surfing the zeitgeist & would be the local MP in just a few years. It's interesting because he's not the only candidate who I've come across recently being totally deluded about how they were doing in an election. One of the indie candidates during the recent GE turned up at the count, stayed for about half an hour during the verification process & then disappeared. I didn't notice him go, but did ask where he had got to ? I was told that he left when he realised he wasn't winning (to put it mildly) but had been absolutely convinced he was the next MP. I do know him, he is a unitary councillor, so some understanding how these things work. His performance at hustings hadn't been great ( being polite). His campaign, leaflets, canvassing, social media, was non-existent. But he was convinced. So I've found this thread baffling, irritating but fascinating in equal measure, because it's not something we usually see. Not that I want to see a replay. Just to be clear Also worth pointing out that some of the earlier responses to sanders/weld/conservativeestimate were pointing out important legal matters that could have got him into trouble (especially if he'd won). |
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Post by r34t on Aug 23, 2024 11:33:06 GMT
Also worth pointing out that some of the earlier responses to sanders/weld/conservativeestimate were pointing out important legal matters that could have got him into trouble (especially if he'd won). Yes, I tried to point out that he needed an imprint on leaflets & was threatened with legal action |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 23, 2024 11:41:54 GMT
Also worth pointing out that some of the earlier responses to sanders/weld/conservativeestimate were pointing out important legal matters that could have got him into trouble (especially if he'd won). Yes, I tried to point out that he needed an imprint on leaflets & was threatened with legal action Does hand written material require an imprint? |
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Post by stb12 on Aug 23, 2024 13:33:20 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 23, 2024 13:59:01 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive There is a well-known message board phenomenon in which one of the... er... odder... members of the community engages in increasingly strange and foolish behaviour in the real world and posts updates of it on the forum, to which other members of the community start to follow and comment on in the manner of a reality television show. I've seen it happen and it rarely ends terribly well. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 23, 2024 14:23:51 GMT
Guys I don’t want to start acting strict on this but I need to again ask that we stop discussing this candidacy as I don’t think it’s healthy for the forum to keep this alive You could always lock the thread again before the end of the ban. I'm not sure there's much left worth saying about these contests by this point. |
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Post by batman on Aug 23, 2024 14:26:17 GMT
I agree. I don’t see a lot of value in keeping it open now
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 23, 2024 15:03:45 GMT
Lock the thread!
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Post by owainsutton on Aug 23, 2024 15:17:18 GMT
Yes, I tried to point out that he needed an imprint on leaflets & was threatened with legal action Does hand written material require an imprint? The legislation says "printed" material. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 15:55:11 GMT
There is no valid reason to lock the thread. The reasons offered are that one member *may* respond to every post on the thread and *may* do so in a manner that others find disturbing or that it *may* not be in the interests of his well-being to do so. It would be a total overreaction and predictably is supported by those who regard free speech as of no value but failure to protect against every imaginable and unimaginable hurt as far too great a risk to take. Where is the risk? If all your worst fears come true, then the Mod locks the thread or bans the member for another term. While the rest of the Forum continue to discuss an election, which is pretty much the principle function of the Forum. Anyone who wishes can choose mark this thread "read" and not be bothered by it. Personally I was not very interested in this by-election, a long way away from Scotland, so have contributed very little to it, unlike many of you. But I am interested in the legal question. Does a handwritten note require an imprint? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Aug 23, 2024 15:56:44 GMT
I agree. I don’t see a lot of value in keeping it open now Now that you have had your 50 odd contributions. It could be set to falling of course. |
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