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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 16, 2024 17:32:46 GMT
15 years ago that was a very real issue - and I did prefer Risograph leaflets to glossies except for a single election address back then. However, times have changed. Full colour glossies are the same price as Risos (give or take) and can be available almost as quickly. Residents seem to be attaching more importance to "professional" than previously. The glossies can get lost amongst the pizza leaflets which also take advantage of the low price of glossy material. It gets harder to be distinctive when the technology gets cheaper and cheaper and available to more and more people. For me, the pizza leaflets are dying out. 5 or 6 years ago, I think I had accumulated about 15 different takeaway menus. I have just checked and I have 4, 3 of which I picked up in the shops themselves.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:33:41 GMT
The glossies can get lost amongst the pizza leaflets which also take advantage of the low price of glossy material. It gets harder to be distinctive when the technology gets cheaper and cheaper and available to more and more people. For me, the pizza leaflets are dying out. 5 or 6 years ago, I think I had accumulated about 15 different takeaway menus. I have just checked and I have 4, 3 of which I picked up in the shops themselves. You can thank Uber Eats pal.
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Post by pl on Aug 16, 2024 17:34:58 GMT
15 years ago that was a very real issue - and I did prefer Risograph leaflets to glossies except for a single election address back then. However, times have changed. Full colour glossies are the same price as Risos (give or take) and can be available almost as quickly. Residents seem to be attaching more importance to "professional" than previously. The glossies can get lost amongst the pizza leaflets which also take advantage of the low price of glossy material. It gets harder to be distinctive when the technology gets cheaper and cheaper and available to more and more people. Yes - the number of times during the general election I followed a leaflet deliver around was very frustrating. Nothing in this life is more infuriating than a paid deliver who pushes a quarter of an inch of an flimsy A5/DL through a letterbox. It then means I have to push it through the letterbox at along with my leaflet. At least doubles the leafleting time.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 16, 2024 17:35:52 GMT
Isn't "class" what your parents do? So, Sander's parents were teachers when he was young, became bricklayers around 2011, erm... shop steward when he was at uni, and, erm... doctors now? Dad: Journalist 1997 - 2006, unemployed 2006 - 2014, £20k a year job 2014 - 2018, unemployed since then Mother: shop worker part time 1997 - 2017 - now retired. I don't think class is what your parents do. It's what you do. For me, Company profits, 2020, £7k, 2021: £26k, 2022: £32k, 2023: £61k, 2024: £57k. Hence, upper middle class. Assets: Premium Bonds; £20k; stock portfolio: £23k, ISA: £5k. So yes, upper middle class now for sur.e I seem to remember John Prescot when Deputy Prime Minister on 130 grand (?) insisting he was working class 'cos his parents.... something something...
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 16, 2024 17:35:56 GMT
I’m not sure that class works that way tbh, the idea you can be working class for about a year or so …… nope …. Don’t confuse employment with class. Isn't "class" what your parents do? So, Sander's parents were teachers when he was young, became bricklayers around 2011, erm... shop steward when he was at uni, and, erm... doctors now? I was once told that the "official " definition is what job(s) your parents did on your 14th birthday. My Dad drove a van, my Mum was a shop assistant, so I am working class.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:36:32 GMT
Dad: Journalist 1997 - 2006, unemployed 2006 - 2014, £20k a year job 2014 - 2018, unemployed since then Mother: shop worker part time 1997 - 2017 - now retired. I don't think class is what your parents do. It's what you do. For me, Company profits, 2020, £7k, 2021: £26k, 2022: £32k, 2023: £61k, 2024: £57k. Hence, upper middle class. Assets: Premium Bonds; £20k; stock portfolio: £23k, ISA: £5k. So yes, upper middle class now for sur.e I seem to remember John Prescot when Deputy Prime Minister on 130 grand (?) insisting he was working class 'cos his parents.... something something... It's so weird how it's changed. I still remember Free School Meals. I remember living in a caravan. I guess Oxbridge social mobility happened. I feel like a big imposter.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 16, 2024 17:41:20 GMT
For me, the pizza leaflets are dying out. 5 or 6 years ago, I think I had accumulated about 15 different takeaway menus. I have just checked and I have 4, 3 of which I picked up in the shops themselves. You can thank Uber Eats pal. Yeah, I have counted 10 takeaways that do delivery in my town of 9,000 people. 3 Indian, 2 Chinese, 2 chip shops, 1 Greek, 1 Italian and a Subway. The peri-peri chicken shop has closed.
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 17:41:46 GMT
I seem to remember John Prescot when Deputy Prime Minister on 130 grand (?) insisting he was working class 'cos his parents.... something something... Interesting because I recall Prescott in opposition arguing his MP's salary made him middle class. And getting much mocked for it:
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 17:48:55 GMT
I seem to remember John Prescot when Deputy Prime Minister on 130 grand (?) insisting he was working class 'cos his parents.... something something... Interesting because I recall Prescott in opposition arguing his MP's salary made him middle class. And getting much mocked for it: He did indeed. And even made a whole TV series about the Class System in 2008.
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Post by stodge on Aug 16, 2024 17:53:56 GMT
20% drop for Labour in Hillrise. The question for 2026 is where is Labour going to be vulnerable in Islington and to whom? There will be, I imagine, a full slate of Green candidates across the Borough and the Greens will be hoping to gain seats beyond Highbury. Will there be a slate of pro-Corbyn Independent candidates in the Islington North constituency? How would that impact on Green prospects in Wards like Tollington or Tufnell Park ? What about Islington South? Presumably the Greens would have a clearer run having taken second in the GE. Could we then see an informal arrangement with the pro-Corbyn candidates fighting in the north of the Borough and the Greens the main challengers in the South?
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 16, 2024 17:55:32 GMT
I'm glad the Gaza independent lost. There, I said it at last. I don't want Gaza independent Councillors. Councillors should focus on their area. I have since left certain chats. I admire and respect Andrew Feinstein. But some of his disciples, no. These people emphasise Gaza all day. There's not much we can do. I support sensible, considered BDS policies. But a Gaza Independent Islington Councillor? No, I don't believe in that. We need someone who can fix stuff. I meant all that stuff btw. The St John's way pub etc. The Archway Road Steps as well. These are real issues in Hillrise. You are simply in no position to judge I’m afraid.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:56:58 GMT
I'm glad the Gaza independent lost. There, I said it at last. I don't want Gaza independent Councillors. Councillors should focus on their area. I have since left certain chats. I admire and respect Andrew Feinstein. But some of his disciples, no. These people emphasise Gaza all day. There's not much we can do. I support sensible, considered BDS policies. But a Gaza Independent Islington Councillor? No, I don't believe in that. We need someone who can fix stuff. I meant all that stuff btw. The St John's way pub etc. The Archway Road Steps as well. These are real issues in Hillrise. You are simply in no position to judge I’m afraid. It affects me, so I can. What do you know about Hillrise? Fuck all I would imagine quite honestly. I'm not in the mood today. I'm in a position to judge. I was on the Feinstein team. I've been in the group chats. I know what I'm talking about. Gaza is my wife's top political issue. But it's not the most important issue. A local council can't fix it. Do you disagree with that assessment? I don't think you do really. Take your Labour hat off buddy. No position to judge things eh? Because I want to decriminalise weed. That's a lot more achievable though. Labour could do that next week. They cannot 'fix' the Gaza situation.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 18:00:37 GMT
I did apply to stand in Cities of London & Westminster. This was when I was on the factional left. However, I didn't get the support from the organised left that I had done in Richmond Park, which at the time went to the "Red Reverend" Steven Saxby (also not a local, as he was & no doubt still is based in Waltham Forest). Unfortunately after I applied my father-in-law, to whom I was close, fell ill & died in agony in hospital, and I didn't have it in me to campaign hard for the nomination. I learnt a very important lesson from this experience, and that lesson was never again to apply for a seat for which I had no genuine links. As it happens, I fell out with the Labour Party not very long after this, and although I am fully reconciled with it now I have now reached my mid-sixties, and am unlikely to apply to stand in a parliamentary seat again. If I ever do so it will have to be a seat with which I have genuine links, and while I know C of L & W very well I cannot claim to have such links, and in any case there will be no vacancy any time soon. My application for the constituency was, I now acknowledge, a mistake, but it was hardly a criminal offence meriting a nastily-toned intervention here. I have reported the numbskull comment which is quite needlessly rude to another contributor & in any case unjustified. I live in hope that the atmosphere of this forum improves and that the quality of debate and discussion does too. I would welcome any forumite standing. Just go for a Hounslow seat. You may even win it lol. I forgive your commentary on here.
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Post by batman on Aug 16, 2024 18:02:02 GMT
Can you please cut out the personal abuse? It's bad enough that you have literally no filter on the number of comments you make, but it would be a little less bad if you learnt to be a little more polite (to edgbaston in this case, and to another contributor earlier). And I care not whether you forgive me or not. I am not going to stand against the existing members for either Hounslow borough seat. Although it's possible that Ruth Cadbury won't stand again, I'm only a year younger than her, and will be going on 70 by the next election, so I'm highly unlikely to apply again.
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Post by jakegb on Aug 16, 2024 18:04:11 GMT
Isn't "class" what your parents do? So, Sander's parents were teachers when he was young, became bricklayers around 2011, erm... shop steward when he was at uni, and, erm... doctors now? Dad: Journalist 1997 - 2006, unemployed 2006 - 2014, £20k a year job 2014 - 2018, unemployed since then Mother: shop worker part time 1997 - 2017 - now retired. I don't think class is what your parents do. It's what you do. For me, Company profits, 2020, £7k, 2021: £26k, 2022: £32k, 2023: £61k, 2024: £57k. Hence, upper middle class. Assets: Premium Bonds; £20k; stock portfolio: £23k, ISA: £5k. So yes, upper middle class now for sur.e How far does that get you in London? Could you see yourself jetting south (east) to the coast in Kent/Sussex/Hants etc? Your money will go a lot further - and there's now plenty of Labour MPs to oppose!
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 16, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
Would the Green Party accept a member who has just stood against an official Green Party candidate? It's against party rules to campaign against a Green Party candidate whilst a member. But I don't think there are any rules about doing so before being a member, unless you actually won and your membership application therefore has to go through the defection protocol.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 18:04:57 GMT
Dad: Journalist 1997 - 2006, unemployed 2006 - 2014, £20k a year job 2014 - 2018, unemployed since then Mother: shop worker part time 1997 - 2017 - now retired. I don't think class is what your parents do. It's what you do. For me, Company profits, 2020, £7k, 2021: £26k, 2022: £32k, 2023: £61k, 2024: £57k. Hence, upper middle class. Assets: Premium Bonds; £20k; stock portfolio: £23k, ISA: £5k. So yes, upper middle class now for sur.e How far does that get you in London? Could you see yourself jetting south (east) to the coast in Kent/Sussex/Hants etc? Your money will go a lot further - and there's now plenty of Labour MPs to oppose! Well we own 15% of a flat worth £350,000 and I want to max out the Premium Bonds to £50k in a few years then cash them in, but I love London.
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Post by batman on Aug 16, 2024 18:05:20 GMT
In any case, whether a candidate is suitable for office is in no way determined by whether they happen to contibute to this forum or not. Many hundreds of suitable candidates do not contribute here, and some pretty unsuitable ones do, and I don't just mean sanders here. I'm probably unsuitable myself now, even if only on grounds of age.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 18:07:03 GMT
In any case, whether a candidate is suitable for office is in no way determined by whether they happen to contibute to this forum or not. Many hundreds of suitable candidates do not contribute here, and some pretty unsuitable ones do, and I don't just mean sanders here. I'm probably unsuitable myself now, even if only on grounds of age. I don't forgive your earlier comments. They seemed to initiate my illness. I have had chronic anxiety for many years. I've also had clinical depression, so either you knew these things and sought to out me for them, or you just worked it out from my mannerisms. Either way, pretty 'personal abuse' from where I'm sat. Do you apologise?
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Post by london(ex)tory on Aug 16, 2024 18:08:23 GMT
Of course it's different for every voter. My mother is usually discouraged from supporting candidates who send obviously-well-produced leaflets on glossy paper thanks to thinking it's a needless waste of money to do anything elaborate like that. 15 years ago that was a very real issue - and I did prefer Risograph leaflets to glossies except for a single election address back then. However, times have changed. Full colour glossies are the same price as Risos (give or take) and can be available almost as quickly. Residents seem to be attaching more importance to "professional" than previously. My husband and I used to be the Riso experts in our Conservative Association. Lost count of the overnight sessions we’d spend doing our own and other wards’ leaflets and somehow coaxing the ageing machine into churning out another few thousand while trying to minimise the paper jams. Happy days!
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