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Post by observer on Jun 11, 2024 13:30:42 GMT
More fun. Eric Ciotti is trying to get LR into an alliance with RN. But the senators are all refusing, and Marleix (the leader of their deputies) is livid and has demanded that Ciotti resign. Reckless Eric! *
* for those who remember Mr Goulden.
He'd go the whole wide world
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Post by observer on Jun 11, 2024 13:30:58 GMT
More fun. Eric Ciotti is trying to get LR into an alliance with RN. But the senators are all refusing, and Marleix (the leader of their deputies) is livid and has demanded that Ciotti resign. Reckless Eric! * * for those who remember Mr Goulden.
He'd go the whole wide world
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 11, 2024 13:50:11 GMT
Reckless Eric! * * for those who remember Mr Goulden.
He'd go the whole wide world Here he is, with Ian Dury on drums
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Post by observer on Jun 11, 2024 13:55:55 GMT
He'd go the whole wide world Here he is, with Ian Dury on drums
I bought the record!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 11, 2024 13:57:59 GMT
1958 maybe? You channelling Graham now? No, the PCF didn't stand in Carshalton. "That Sutton has welded forever to stand".
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 11, 2024 14:01:10 GMT
No, the PCF didn't stand in Carshalton. "That Sutton has welded forever to stand". "Marchais for Morden".
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 11, 2024 14:03:17 GMT
Here he is, with Ian Dury on drums
I bought the record! I thought his stuff as the Len Bright combo was also fun. Weird to think that these days he lives in Upper New York State!
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Post by observer on Jun 11, 2024 14:05:29 GMT
I thought his stuff as the Len Bright combo was also fun. Weird to think that these days he lives in Upper New York State!
Does he really? I didn't know that. I think I'll go and search YT
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Post by observer on Jun 11, 2024 14:07:52 GMT
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 11, 2024 14:48:13 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 11, 2024 15:26:48 GMT
The rapprochement amongst the Le Pens feels like the real story there. That was meant to be toxic for some time.
Elsewhere, two senators have walked out of the LR delegation. Everyone is up in arms about Ciotti, who clearly did not check that move beforehand.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 11, 2024 15:53:55 GMT
Another poll:-
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Post by jamie on Jun 11, 2024 17:18:19 GMT
What happens if a variety of left leaning candidates get in the top two against FN candidates rather than Republicans or Macronists? Depends which ones. The Socialists and independents tended to do well last time, and the Communists did ok as well. LFI (Melenchon) on the other hand seemed much more off-putting and look to have cost the left a number of seats which another party could have won in their place. The ecologists also didn’t have much crossover appeal either.
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Post by relique on Jun 11, 2024 20:54:54 GMT
What happens if a variety of left leaning candidates get in the top two against FN candidates rather than Republicans or Macronists? Depends which ones. The Socialists and independents tended to do well last time, and the Communists did ok as well. LFI (Melenchon) on the other hand seemed much more off-putting and look to have cost the left a number of seats which another party could have won in their place. The ecologists also didn’t have much crossover appeal either. Indeed. For example, in Pas-de-Calais, Jean-Marc Tellier, PCF mayor of Avion won back to the left the Lens seat that was lost in 2017 by Modem (who scraped by the second round just ahead of Tellier with 17% against 16%, with insoumis at 11% and PS at 9%). Macronists didn't fare that well against RN. If Macronists are doing ok in the first round and qualify, there should be a RN majority.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 11, 2024 22:45:44 GMT
What are the chances of Ciotti being deposed? He has doubled down in the last few hours* so I don't think he's backtracking.
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"Since 1 p.m., I have received thousands of messages of support for the right-wing rally. Thank you for your trust !
The Republicans will be there to prevent NUPES from coming to power, put an end to the migratory, security and budgetary chaos and put our ideas back in power after 12 years of absence."
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Post by right on Jun 12, 2024 6:27:01 GMT
What are the chances of Ciotti being deposed? He has doubled down in the last few hours* so I don't think he's backtracking. * "Since 1 p.m., I have received thousands of messages of support for the right-wing rally. Thank you for your trust ! The Republicans will be there to prevent NUPES from coming to power, put an end to the migratory, security and budgetary chaos and put our ideas back in power after 12 years of absence." It's been the logical deal since around the time the senior Le Pen was expelled. Probably before. They weren't really fascist under Jean Marie but they weren't really not fascist either. They have moved left while France (and the right and centre) have moved right. It's now history, personalities and political precedent that stand in the way of cooperation.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 12, 2024 7:48:08 GMT
There are still massive differences, not just personality clashes. LR is the natural home for Gaullists, libertarians and anyone on the Right who believes in free markets.
If they throw themselves in with RN, you've got absolutely no outlet for liberal economics unless you vote for Macron.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 12, 2024 7:48:56 GMT
On a not unrelated note, the Euro v GBP chart from the moment that Manu called the dissolution is quite something. A massive drop followed by a gentle downwards slope.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 12, 2024 8:01:29 GMT
What are the chances of Ciotti being deposed? He has doubled down in the last few hours* so I don't think he's backtracking. * "Since 1 p.m., I have received thousands of messages of support for the right-wing rally. Thank you for your trust ! The Republicans will be there to prevent NUPES from coming to power, put an end to the migratory, security and budgetary chaos and put our ideas back in power after 12 years of absence." There's a meeting at 3pm. One of the senators, Agnès Evren, has told the press explicitly that she aims to have him deposed.
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Post by relique on Jun 12, 2024 8:54:12 GMT
There are still massive differences, not just personality clashes. LR is the natural home for Gaullists, libertarians and anyone on the Right who believes in free markets. If they throw themselves in with RN, you've got absolutely no outlet for liberal economics unless you vote for Macron. I really don't think RN has changed from its reaganian economics. They hate civil servants, they don't have a big presence in local government and they hate labor unions. They will have no kind of remorse cutting through foreign aid, education, social benefits etc... Discourse and action are really not the same.
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