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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 7, 2024 21:40:16 GMT
He apparently thinks that anyone who is not a slava-ukraini fascist is a Russian bot. A very simple worldview that reflects his limited cognitive abilities. is a usual suspect 'Weenie-Whiny-Wokie'. is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. |
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Post by ArmchairCritic on Jul 7, 2024 21:44:06 GMT
cogload is a usual suspect 'Weenie-Whiny-Wokie'. is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the tories into irrelevance for at leats 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. No. More likely there will be political stalemate and absolutely no clarity whatever. |
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 21:45:42 GMT
NFP 174 MPs
Other Left 11
Ensemble 153
Other Centrist 6
RN (including LR-RN) 140
LR 45
Other Right 15
Régionalistes 4
Others 1 (actually he is a leftish from outre-mer)
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 7, 2024 21:45:51 GMT
There'll be the usual sneers at Macron, which I've heard from left and right since before he was first elected, (I remember when he was going to be unable to govern as President because he had no party support in the Assembly at all).
Facts are that he will complete the two presidential terms he is permitted, and now he has taken on the RN challenge that was laid down in the EU elections and stopped them dead. His party may have taken losses, but how many parties that have been in power since 2017 still are, anywhere? (Whether they can survive after his Presidency is another question, mind.)
In the context of French politics, who has done better in the last 20 years? Serial loser Le Pen? Melenchon, now over 71? Hollande? Sarkozy?
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 7, 2024 21:47:44 GMT
A hard right takeover in France would require the introduction of FPTP or the RN hitting 50% - both of which are highly unlikely. RN majority scenarios are merely media clickbait.
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Post by observer on Jul 7, 2024 21:49:19 GMT
cogload is a usual suspect 'Weenie-Whiny-Wokie'. is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. Maybe lacking insight though? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 7, 2024 21:49:24 GMT
Well, anyone can be named prime minister. The endgame is : Can they survive a censure motion. Mélenchon cannot, that's for sure. But don't underestimate the willingness by Macron to throw fuel to the left's starting fire... But it will be difficult to see who Can survive. On the right I don't see Edouard Philippe not calling for a censure against RN. On the center I don't see PS not censuring a macron-lr prime minister. The only possibility would be Macronists approving a left of center NFP prime minister.
But anyway: A few RN incumbents were beaten today. In Vaucluse, Gironde, Nord for exemple. Which would seem the obvious solution, if they can find someone from (probably) PS? it'll be the leader of the greens. That's who NPF put up for the debates |
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 7, 2024 21:56:29 GMT
Does it not get exhausting as a French person to constantly have to pour the oil, find the scrap, rubbish, or wood to burn every few months. Do non-political Parisians not get exhausted by the constant burning and road blockages, as well as the general mess it leaves. Is it even reported on in the French press, it seems so common? Is anybody ever arrested? |
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Post by towerhamlets on Jul 7, 2024 21:59:56 GMT
There'll be the usual sneers at Macron, which I've heard from left and right since before he was first elected, (I remember when he was going to be unable to govern as President because he had no party support in the Assembly at all). Facts are that he will complete the two presidential terms he is permitted, and now he has taken on the RN challenge that was laid down in the EU elections and stopped them dead. His party may have taken losses, but how many parties that have been in power since 2017 still are, anywhere? (Whether they can survive after his Presidency is another question, mind.) In the context of French politics, who has done better in the last 20 years? Serial loser Le Pen? Melenchon, now over 71? Hollande? Sarkozy? Yes, Macron stopped the fascists dead by giving them their best election result in history. |
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Post by rcronald on Jul 7, 2024 22:00:00 GMT
cogload is a usual suspect 'Weenie-Whiny-Wokie'. is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. Can’t wait to see all of you smug Liberal Democrats lose your collective minds when Trump beats Biden. Your arrogance knows no bounds, ‘saw off the fash in the eu elections’ when your own EU group is likely to fall to a pathetic 5th place by the end of the month. Liberals should focus and celebrate their great performance at the GE rather than gloat about temporary setbacks for the hard right in France (btw, I would have voted LR rather than RN) when your ideology is literally collapsing into the ether in most of the developed world. Edit: the rant isn’t about you (you are a perfectly nice and knowledgeable man), but about what seems to be the constant sneering attitude and almost a superiority complex that Liberals seem to have in general. |
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Post by observer on Jul 7, 2024 22:03:25 GMT
This will actually work out well for the RN.
Their aggregate vote is 40-42% and a government of children and fantasists will soon be in place to drive the RN vote higher.
It's a good result for them
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 7, 2024 22:04:23 GMT
cogload is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. Can’t wait to see all of you smug Liberal Democrats lose your collective minds when Trump beats Biden. Your arrogance knows no bounds, ‘saw off the fash in the eu elections’ when your own EU group is likely to fall to a pathetic 5th place by the end of the month. Liberals should focus and celebrate their great performance at the GE rather than gloat about temporary setbacks for the hard right in France (btw, I would have voted LR rather than RN) when your ideology is literally collapsing into the ether in most of the developed world. Edit: the rant isn’t about you (you are a perfectly nice and knowledgeable man), but about what seems to be the constant sneering attitude and almost a superiority complex that Liberals seem to have in general. Don't be so hard on them, let them enjoy a rare moment of relative success. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 7, 2024 22:04:55 GMT
cogload is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the tories into irrelevance for at leats 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. No. More likely there will be political stalemate and absolutely no clarity whatever. I would imagine that whoever is PM will be weak, but the one hating that is pretty certain is that it won't be from RN. RN won't be the largest party, they probably won't even be 2nd. Which is a result for Macron. And if the PM is weak, who holds power? Who is the guy who can, at his discretion, use Article 49.3? I'm not suggesting this is a triumph, but it's not a bad result for Macron, playing a very poor hand. And I'm not convinced its a catastrophe for France (which either a RN or Melenchon government would be.) The grown-ups will have to be grown ups. At least they get the opportunity. |
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Post by relique on Jul 7, 2024 22:08:55 GMT
Macronists only survived because the left decided to not run against them and offering them between 70-100 seats with a very good transfer of votes. If not they would have been completely ridden off the assembly.
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Post by rcronald on Jul 7, 2024 22:09:26 GMT
Can’t wait to see all of you smug Liberal Democrats lose your collective minds when Trump beats Biden. Your arrogance knows no bounds, ‘saw off the fash in the eu elections’ when your own EU group is likely to fall to a pathetic 5th place by the end of the month. Liberals should focus and celebrate their great performance at the GE rather than gloat about temporary setbacks for the hard right in France (btw, I would have voted LR rather than RN) when your ideology is literally collapsing into the ether in most of the developed world. Edit: the rant isn’t about you (you are a perfectly nice and knowledgeable man), but about what seems to be the constant sneering attitude and almost a superiority complex that Liberals seem to have in general. Don't be so hard on them, let them enjoy a rare moment of relative success. They have every right to enjoy their results in the UK, but I don’t understand the celebrations about other things when the liberal brand is tanking almost everywhere. |
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Post by relique on Jul 7, 2024 22:10:46 GMT
No. More likely there will be political stalemate and absolutely no clarity whatever. I would imagine that whoever is PM will be weak, but the one hating that is pretty certain is that it won't be from RN. RN won't be the largest party, they probably won't even be 2nd. Which is a result for Macron. And if the PM is weak, who holds power? Who is the guy who can, at his discretion, use Article 49.3? I'm not suggesting this is a triumph, but it's not a bad result for Macron, playing a very poor hand. And I'm not convinced its a catastrophe for France (which either a RN or Melenchon government would be.) The grown-ups will have to be grown ups. At least they get the opportunity. The PM is the only one able to use article 49.3. And Macron lost his "if you don't behave you'll regret it as I will desolve" toy |
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Post by rcronald on Jul 7, 2024 22:13:06 GMT
I would imagine that whoever is PM will be weak, but the one hating that is pretty certain is that it won't be from RN. RN won't be the largest party, they probably won't even be 2nd. Which is a result for Macron. And if the PM is weak, who holds power? Who is the guy who can, at his discretion, use Article 49.3? I'm not suggesting this is a triumph, but it's not a bad result for Macron, playing a very poor hand. And I'm not convinced it’s a catastrophe for France (which either a RN or Melenchon government would be.) The grown-ups will have to be grown ups. At least they get the opportunity. The PM is the only one able to use article 49.3. And Macron lost his "if you don't behave you'll regret it as I will desolve" toy He’ll just dissolve the parliament next year as well and lose even more seats! |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 7, 2024 22:15:10 GMT
A hard right takeover in France would require the introduction of FPTP or the RN hitting 50% - both of which are highly unlikely. It may not be FPTP, but it's worth noting that the Euro elections where RN topped the poll a month ago, are the only type of election in France to take place over a single round of voting. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 7, 2024 22:18:14 GMT
cogload is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. Can’t wait to see all of you smug Liberal Democrats lose your collective minds when Trump beats Biden. Your arrogance knows no bounds, ‘saw off the fash in the eu elections’ when your own EU group is likely to fall to a pathetic 5th place by the end of the month. Liberals should focus and celebrate their great performance at the GE rather than gloat about temporary setbacks for the hard right in France (btw, I would have voted LR rather than RN) when your ideology is literally collapsing into the ether in most of the developed world. Edit: the rant isn’t about you (you are a perfectly nice and knowledgeable man), but about what seems to be the constant sneering attitude and almost a superiority complex that Liberals seem to have in general. Aw bless, it's another one. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 7, 2024 22:18:36 GMT
cogload is politically having the time of his life, with his party on its best score for a hundred years and helped kick the Tories into irrelevance for at least 5 (probably at least 8) years while the hard right takeover in France fails to come off for the five millionth time in my lifetime (just as Von Der Leyen saw off the fash in the EU elections) and, as relique points out, Melenchon ain't going to be PM either. Can’t wait to see all of you smug Liberal Democrats lose your collective minds when Trump beats Biden. Your arrogance knows no bounds, ‘saw off the fash in the eu elections’ when your own EU group is likely to fall to a pathetic 5th place by the end of the month. Liberals should focus and celebrate their great performance at the GE rather than gloat about temporary setbacks for the hard right in France (btw, I would have voted LR rather than RN) when your ideology is literally collapsing into the ether in most of the developed world. Edit: the rant isn’t about you (you are a perfectly nice and knowledgeable man), but about what seems to be the constant sneering attitude and almost a superiority complex that Liberals seem to have in general. If you are in the place where your last hope is for Trump to win then you're in a bad, bad place. And where do you go if he doesn't eh? What if he loses again? What have you got? Putin? Yeah, we did see off the fash. Time after time I have the hard right bogeyman dangled in front of me. Time after time they lose. So what if "my group" are 5th in the EU - the whole point of the centrists is that we can work with the decent centre right and the decent centre left. And the whole point of the populist right and the hard left is that "all the others are the same", only they represent the people. Well, they don't. "Collapsing into the ether" my arse. Liberal democracy is constantly under threat, but it keeps winning. As for gloating: I had years of "you lost, get over it." |
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