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Post by right on Jun 25, 2024 7:09:56 GMT
It might work, but French voters will also very likely turn on him further for provoking the instability. The Fourth Republic was unstable because of its design. The Fifth gives one man the power to make it unstable. Which he has taken. Wouldn't Manu say that it was the voters?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 25, 2024 7:24:11 GMT
From March last year: France can’t go on like this. It’s time to end the Fifth Republic, with its all-powerful presidency — the closest thing in the developed world to an elected dictator — and inaugurate a less autocratic Sixth Republic. Macron might just be the person to do it. www.ft.com/content/b78f2a89-1062-4423-a4ba-fb4cdc56c683
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 25, 2024 7:46:33 GMT
From March last year: France can’t go on like this. It’s time to end the Fifth Republic, with its all-powerful presidency — the closest thing in the developed world to an elected dictator — and inaugurate a less autocratic Sixth Republic. Macron might just be the person to do it. www.ft.com/content/b78f2a89-1062-4423-a4ba-fb4cdc56c683A good article. And it goes to show how the French state often treats itself as its own customer.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 25, 2024 13:50:54 GMT
From March last year: France can’t go on like this. It’s time to end the Fifth Republic, with its all-powerful presidency — the closest thing in the developed world to an elected dictator — and inaugurate a less autocratic Sixth Republic. Macron might just be the person to do it. www.ft.com/content/b78f2a89-1062-4423-a4ba-fb4cdc56c683A good article. And it goes to show how the French state often treats itself as its own customer. A bad article. As usual the horizon of the journaille does not reach beyond 1958; otherwise they would be aware of the problem before: PÉTAIN, BOULANGER, MAC-MAHON, NAPOLEON I&III. What is no coIncidence - France was since SUGER formed by an union of bourgeoisie and kingdom; and if we are willing to look at CESAR, the galli gallici had already 2000 years ago such an inClination. Some AngloSaxons cannot believe it, but not all countries have been dominated by an aristoCracy forming 2 sportTeams ("parties") without anyone being really superior. I must also disagree on the IIIth RePublic: Like DC-Italy it was actually quite stable, with quasi allWays the Radicals ruling. Contrary to the laboratory of Germany after 1918 an old-fashioned and deeply bourgeois, thus conservative entity, funnily enough pretending to be "progressive"...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 25, 2024 21:40:12 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 6:48:18 GMT
Aurélien Pradié has quit LR and announced that 30 candidates will be adhering to a micro-party (his words, which is honest) named "Du courage".
Which should probably try to get the rights to this ready-made campaign song:
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Post by right on Jun 26, 2024 6:57:35 GMT
Aurélien Pradié has quit LR and announced that 30 candidates will be adhering to a micro-party (his words, which is honest) named "Du courage". Which should probably try to get the rights to this ready-made campaign song: Are these more pro-Macron or pro-RN?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 8:46:21 GMT
Aurélien Pradié has quit LR and announced that 30 candidates will be adhering to a micro-party (his words, which is honest) named "Du courage". Which should probably try to get the rights to this ready-made campaign song: Are these more pro-Macron or pro-RN? Depends on your viewpoint. They're more pro-Macron in the sense that they see themselves as the keepers of the Gaullist flame and feel that Ciotti is a traitor. But that should not be confused with positivity towards Manu.
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Post by relique on Jun 26, 2024 11:02:57 GMT
Are these more pro-Macron or pro-RN? Depends on your viewpoint. They're more pro-Macron in the sense that they see themselves as the keepers of the Gaullist flame and feel that Ciotti is a traitor. But that should not be confused with positivity towards Manu. Pradié opposed the pension reform that many LR supported. He would rather be a pro "independent LR" than pro-Macron or RN.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 11:04:09 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
Depends on your viewpoint. They're more pro-Macron in the sense that they see themselves as the keepers of the Gaullist flame and feel that Ciotti is a traitor. But that should not be confused with positivity towards Manu. Pradié opposed the pension reform that many LR supported. He would rather be a pro "independent LR" than pro-Macron or RN. I think we're saying the same thing, although I did so in a slightly tortured way. Good luck to him, from my perspective. There needs to be a centre-right that doesn't sell itself to Macron or Marine.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 13:19:59 GMT
Expat voting has started. 250,000 have voted in 24 hours.
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Post by right on Jun 26, 2024 13:42:26 GMT
Expat voting has started. 250,000 have voted in 24 hours. Is that high or low?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 14:27:33 GMT
Expat voting has started. 250,000 have voted in 24 hours. Is that high or low? Sadly this has not yet been confirmed. But it is a higher number than the populations of 19 departments, and more than the two least-populated (Lozère and Creuse) combined.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 26, 2024 14:40:08 GMT
Sadly this has not yet been confirmed. But it is a higher number than the populations of 19 departments, and more than the two least-populated (Lozère and Creuse) combined. In a traditional British measuerment how many football pitches is that?
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Post by right on Jun 26, 2024 14:53:27 GMT
Sadly this has not yet been confirmed. But it is a higher number than the populations of 19 departments, and more than the two least-populated (Lozère and Creuse) combined. In a traditional British measuerment how many football pitches is that? Half the size of Wales worth
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Post by relique on Jun 26, 2024 15:28:28 GMT
Expat voting has started. 250,000 have voted in 24 hours. Is that high or low? Quite high. Last time, only 325,000 voted in total. But they are really quite irrelevant to the final seat allocation. No RN has a chance there.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 15:33:26 GMT
Sadly this has not yet been confirmed. But it is a higher number than the populations of 19 departments, and more than the two least-populated (Lozère and Creuse) combined. In a traditional British measuerment how many football pitches is that? Roughly an armful. Seriously though, if you want to look at one of the most fascinating and sad political and social concepts in Europe, google France's "Empty Diagonal".
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Post by right on Jun 26, 2024 15:35:24 GMT
Quite high. Last time, only 325,000 voted in total. But they are really quite irrelevant to the final seat allocation. No RN has a chance there. But it shows that at least a sector of anti-RN voters are out in force.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2024 22:48:27 GMT
Bardella is giving an interview in tomorrow's FT.
How times change.
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