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Post by jamie on Jun 17, 2024 16:19:54 GMT
A couple of politicians from the centre-left wing of Ens stated that they would personally vote PS/EELV/PCF in a theoretical 2nd round between RN/NFP but not for LFI. Borne among others did this last time as well.
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Post by relique on Jun 17, 2024 16:44:54 GMT
I assume that this is good for Ens? But if you think about it, the increase turnout in the 2nd round of the 2022 parliamentary elections definitely helped RN… It would be interesting to know where the proxy requests are coming from. If they are heavily skewed to abroad, you're probably correct. I don't think so. Proxy votes will be due to people having already established plans and surprised by the date. Maybe people going somewhere for a wedding or else. New poll today with RN 33, NFP 28 and macronists 18. LR at 5. But there's a weird thing with LR supported by RN at 4 (but there are about 10% of constituencies so are they at 40 ??) which would mean RN at 37, right ?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2024 16:45:02 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Jun 17, 2024 17:08:48 GMT
It would be interesting to know where the proxy requests are coming from. If they are heavily skewed to abroad, you're probably correct. I don't think so. Proxy votes will be due to people having already established plans and surprised by the date. Maybe people going somewhere for a wedding or else. New poll today with RN 33, NFP 28 and macronists 18. LR at 5. But there's a weird thing with LR supported by RN at 4 (but there are about 10% of constituencies so are they at 40 ??) which would mean RN at 37, right ? I could definitely see a decent amount of middle class LR inclined voters voting RN out of fear. I generally prefer LR but would vote RN because Melenchon is barking mad.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 17, 2024 17:21:47 GMT
It would be interesting to know where the proxy requests are coming from. If they are heavily skewed to abroad, you're probably correct. I don't think so. Proxy votes will be due to people having already established plans and surprised by the date. Maybe people going somewhere for a wedding or else. New poll today with RN 33, NFP 28 and macronists 18. LR at 5. But there's a weird thing with LR supported by RN at 4 (but there are about 10% of constituencies so are they at 40 ??) which would mean RN at 37, right ? You’re right, the results are: RN - 33% NFP - 28% Ens - 18% LR (anti-Ciotti) - 5% LR (pro-ciotti/RN) - 4% REC - 3% DVG - 3% DVD - 2% EXG - 1.5% Others - 2.5% Alliances: RN - 37% NFP - 28% Ens - 18% LR - 5% REC - 3% DVG - 3% DVD - 2% EXG - 1.5% Others - 2.5%
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2024 20:32:35 GMT
Cyril Hanouna, mentioned here before and protégé of Vinny Bolloré, has a number of interesting people due on his radio show in the next week. Zemmour and Ménard are due on (ok, and Valls). Dati, Knafo and Chenu (RN) turned up last week. Maybe it is reading tea leaves, but Bolloré seems to be hinting at who does or does not have his favour.
It's curious how many people end up on French telly and radio that would be beyond the Pale in the UK. Either far-right or far-left. Not merely as guests, but as hosts (or the dreaded "chroniqueurs" who turn up regularly on these shows).
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Post by relique on Jun 17, 2024 21:11:41 GMT
Cyril Hanouna, mentioned here before and protégé of Vinny Bolloré, has a number of interesting people due on his radio show in the next week. Zemmour and Ménard are due on (ok, and Valls). Dati, Knafo and Chenu (RN) turned up last week. Maybe it is reading tea leaves, but Bolloré seems to be hinting at who does or does not have his favour. It's curious how many people end up on French telly and radio that would be beyond the Pale in the UK. Either far-right or far-left. Not merely as guests, but as hosts (or the dreaded "chroniqueurs" who turn up regularly on these shows). Apparently Bolloré is the one who convinced Ciotti to join RN. He also has a strong number or "chroniqueurs" candidates inside the LR-RN alliance and he seems to have more or less dropped Zemmour.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 18, 2024 4:27:01 GMT
There’s at least one LR deputy who isn’t getting challenged by both Ens and RN…
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Post by right on Jun 18, 2024 5:40:41 GMT
It's 60 constituencies without a Macronista candidate. And quite a mix- some LR, but also (as rcronald noted) not against Hollande and also not against the PCF boss Roussel. Jean Lassalle is back in the Pyrenees and aiming to get back into the assembly. Gilles le Gendre, the former LREM leader in the assembly, has been deselected but is running as an independent. He was accused of harassment by Rachida Dati, but no formal complaint was ever made, so presumably this is at the root of it. The tone this morning seems to be following Mbappé's comments about the extremes. Attal has now started speaking of the extremes as one bloc. This is probably sensible politics. Our own General Election seems very serene in comparison. Whenever we find a new way of leading the world in some area, France gets jealous and tries that bit too hard to outdo us It's sweet really
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Post by relique on Jun 18, 2024 10:03:19 GMT
Our own General Election seems very serene in comparison. Whenever we find a new way of leading the world in some area, France gets jealous and tries that bit too hard to outdo us It's sweet really And we succeed, really
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 18, 2024 10:03:21 GMT
Olivier Faure (PS) insists that if the NFP wins, a vote will be held to decide the PM.
Bompard (LFI) agrees, but insists that this vote will only be held amongst the party with the most deputies (who could that be?). And that said person needs to represent "coherence" (it's that word again) and " the centre of gravity within the group".
For an avowed antifascist, Melenchon loves a bit of Führerprinzip.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 18, 2024 10:47:15 GMT
No pro-Macron candidate against the creator of Macron (Hollande), but maybe it’s because of a secret alliance with the LR incumbent against RN. Looks like I was right. Attal just said that Ens withdrew in favour of the LR incumbent against Hollande and RN…
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Post by rcronald on Jun 19, 2024 5:46:55 GMT
Macron attacked the left in Finistere over their desire to increase immigration and their support for self-ID.
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Post by relique on Jun 19, 2024 6:11:10 GMT
Macron attacked the left in Finistere over their desire to increase immigration and their support for self-ID. He really wants a RN prime minister.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 19, 2024 6:14:09 GMT
Macron attacked the left in Finistere over their desire to increase immigration and their support for self-ID. He really wants a RN prime minister. Yes, it’s pretty clear that most of Ens (outside of the remaining centre-left members) ideologically prefer RN to NFP (and Macron probably want an RN PM to prevent a MLP victory in 2027).
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 7:28:16 GMT
Fabien Roussel (PCF) has said he has tried to persuade LFI not to run the violent thug Raphael Arnault in the Vaucluse, without success.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 12:31:53 GMT
Antisemitism dominates the headlines this morning. A RN candidate in the Morbihan has had his endorsement withdrawn after some very grim comments came to light.
Meanwhile in Courbevoie, a brutal antisemitic attack on a 12 year old girl has caught attention.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 13:23:56 GMT
A blow for Macron and a warning to the others - the ECB has finally reprimanded France for its deficits.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 19, 2024 13:58:33 GMT
A blow for Macron and a warning to the others - the ECB has finally reprimanded France for its deficits. Ens’ entire campaign against RN (they attacked NFP on other issues as well) was that they are good on the economy and that RN is going to increase the deficit. Lmao
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2024 11:20:29 GMT
Bruno Le Maire has said that there is no room for manoeuvre in the budget. Which obviously he would do, because that is what the Macronistas have left to play with.
He's also claiming that the government will attempt to renegotiate electric prices with EdF. Which surely is unnecessary - after all, Manu bravely turned EdF from a private company (of which 83 per cent was owned by the State, and the president picked the boss), to a fully nationalised entity.
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