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Post by rcronald on Jun 16, 2024 9:11:33 GMT
Sarkozy is opposed to a union between LR and RN, but for the right reason imo.
He complemented Bardella, saying that he’s talented and that the party is not really extremist anymore, while also stating that he’s too young and has a lot to learn. He’s opposed to the union because he’s afraid that it would turn LR into a minor satellite party, rather than opposed it for ‘values’ or ‘extremism’.
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Post by jamie on Jun 16, 2024 9:27:53 GMT
Polls have Le Pen beating Melenchon by 2-1 margin. Which shows how electorally poisonous he has become, as the same poll showed a fellow member of the LFI parliamentary group tied 50-50 with her. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 16, 2024 10:10:34 GMT
Let’s make our rapidly deteriorating image even worse! You would think/naively hope that after a bunch of fascists won seats against LFI opposition in 2022 that the latter would begin to question whether they could do anything to improve their appeal, or dare I say it, that they are part of the problem? I mean, when theres been polling that shows the French people now think Melenchon is a more dangerous extremist than Le Pen, perhaps they should promote figureheads that are less poisonous? Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 10:13:57 GMT
These Olympics are going to be hilarious. You can just imagine Thomas Bach appearing and telling the youth there's no need to riot because the competitive breakdancing is on.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 10:16:19 GMT
You would think/naively hope that after a bunch of fascists won seats against LFI opposition in 2022 that the latter would begin to question whether they could do anything to improve their appeal, or dare I say it, that they are part of the problem? I mean, when theres been polling that shows the French people now think Melenchon is a more dangerous extremist than Le Pen, perhaps they should promote figureheads that are less poisonous? Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. His anti-German derangement is not commented on enough. Actually there's almost a pretence that it is not true, despite him releasing a book about how much he dislikes Germany. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 16, 2024 10:18:03 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 10:27:51 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. And his willingness to attack people for having accents he doesn't like. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 16, 2024 10:43:35 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. And his willingness to attack people for having accents he doesn't like. It would be useful to be able to hear that exchange without the noisy background hubbub. Not sure what accent the lady had? |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 16, 2024 10:48:32 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 10:57:25 GMT
And his willingness to attack people for having accents he doesn't like. It would be useful to be able to hear that exchange without the noisy background hubbub. Not sure what accent the lady had? She's from the South West, quite a distinctive accent but clear. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 11:04:30 GMT
You would think/naively hope that after a bunch of fascists won seats against LFI opposition in 2022 that the latter would begin to question whether they could do anything to improve their appeal, or dare I say it, that they are part of the problem? I mean, when theres been polling that shows the French people now think Melenchon is a more dangerous extremist than Le Pen, perhaps they should promote figureheads that are less poisonous? Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. What is bizarre about a Frenchman hating Germany? Or an Englishman? Look at the record! |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 16, 2024 11:05:08 GMT
Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. His anti-German derangement is not commented on enough. Actually there's almost a pretence that it is not true, despite him releasing a book about how much he dislikes Germany. Though we should never forget how much anti-German sentiment drives some Brexitism in this country. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 11:06:08 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. I am starting to like him! |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 16, 2024 11:06:27 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. I am starting to like him! Thought so. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 11:09:55 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. And his willingness to attack people for having accents he doesn't like. Now I do actually like him! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 11:13:32 GMT
His anti-German derangement is not commented on enough. Actually there's almost a pretence that it is not true, despite him releasing a book about how much he dislikes Germany. Though we should never forget how much anti-German sentiment drives some Brexitism in this country. Some, certainly. But let's not pretend that the European Left doesn't make comments about Germans that would be totally unacceptable to the average British lefty. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 16, 2024 11:15:43 GMT
Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. What is bizarre about a Frenchman hating Germany? Or an Englishman? Look at the record! Because it's anachronistic self defeating nonsense. Looking at the record, my German family have as much reason to hate Britain and the French as we and the French do them, but that would be absurd. This continent tore itself apart for millennia, in part due to these ancient ethnic blood feuds. In the 21st century, and no doubt beyond, our threats are common and mostly external, or internal problems originating externally. These range from Russia, China and Iran, to mass migration, Islamism and the climate. As such, we Europeans should act accordingly and put aside petty squabbles about who did what to whom decades, centuries or millennia ago and work together to face down our common threats. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 16, 2024 11:19:05 GMT
There's also his no less bizarre hatred of minority languages. Isn't that pretty mainstream in France though. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 11:20:51 GMT
What is bizarre about a Frenchman hating Germany? Or an Englishman? Look at the record! Because it's anachronistic self defeating nonsense. Looking at the record, my German family have as much reason to hate Britain and the French as we and the French do them, but that would be absurd. This continent tore itself apart for millennia, in part due to these ancient ethnic blood feuds. In the 21st century, and no doubt beyond, our threats are common and mostly external, or internal problems originating externally. These range from Russia, China and Iran, to mass migration, Islamism and the climate. As such, we Europeans should act accordingly and put aside petty squabbles about who did what to whom decades, centuries or millennia ago and work together to face down our common threats. No! Your family really do NOT have anything like as much reason to hate Britain as Britain does to hate Germany. |
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Post by islington on Jun 16, 2024 11:27:03 GMT
Though, to be fair to the French, that's just a fact. Le Pen is a national conservative, whereas Jean-Luc Mélenchon has some quite odious opinions regarding foreign policy, his bizarre hatred of Germany and his open antisemitism. In almost the exact same areas where Le Pen has worked hard to moderate her party, Mélenchon has been becoming ever more extreme. What is bizarre about a Frenchman hating Germany? Or an Englishman? Look at the record! Now, now, let bygones be bygones... "The Germans were once very warlike But that couldn't happen again; We taught them a lesson in 1918, And they've given no trouble since then." |
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