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Post by relique on Jun 14, 2024 18:50:44 GMT
I wonder how LR/Ens 1st round voters are going to break this time compared to 2022. They didn't really break for the left last time. They decided based on the quality of the candidate, and it will be the same this time. Except there are 100more socialists and they are fielding quite well known figures. (Mayor of Douai against RN for example) |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 18:56:01 GMT
I wonder how LR/Ens 1st round voters are going to break this time compared to 2022. They didn't really break for the left last time. They decided based on the quality of the candidate, and it will be the same this time. Except there are 100more socialists and they are fielding quite well known figures. (Mayor of Douai against RN for example) How many socialists and Communists are in winnable seats compared to LFI and EELV? |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 14, 2024 18:59:45 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now? There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again. Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble. It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas. Best outcome for the RN? Win the Assembly, propose some populist policies which Macron and/or the Senate are forced to block. |
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Post by relique on Jun 14, 2024 19:04:24 GMT
They didn't really break for the left last time. They decided based on the quality of the candidate, and it will be the same this time. Except there are 100more socialists and they are fielding quite well known figures. (Mayor of Douai against RN for example) How many socialists and Communists are in winnable seats compared to LFI and EELV? You gotta let me have some time for analysis  |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 19:50:55 GMT
Looks like Ciotti won the legal battle over his leadership.
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Post by relique on Jun 15, 2024 4:56:43 GMT
LFI has released its list of candidates. Except for Ruffin and Autain, they purged all the people who at one point were not on the same lign as Mélenchon, including incumbents Corbière, Garrido, Davi, Simmonnet...
At the same time, they still support Quattennens who was convicted (and pleaded guilty) of hitting his wife.
So Autain (who has always been a feminist first) said "in France insoumise it's better to be convicted of domestic violence than defending democracy, protesting against antisemitism after october 7 and pleading for the union of the left".
Ruffin said: "I wasn't stopped by the (fourches caudines) obstacles of your idiocy and your sectarian views. You prefer a man who beats his wife, author of domestic violence, to comrades who have the audacity of having a disagreement with the Big chief. Our democracy deserves better than you. "
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 15, 2024 4:58:56 GMT
This pollster, according to the comments, tends to place the Left higher:-
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Post by relique on Jun 15, 2024 5:18:35 GMT
This pollster, according to the comments, tends to place the Left higher:- Yes it is close with Insoumis. |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 6:13:09 GMT
LFI has released its list of candidates. Except for Ruffin and Autain, they purged all the people who at one point were not on the same lign as Mélenchon, including incumbents Corbière, Garrido, Davi, Simmonnet... At the same time, they still support Quattennens who was convicted (and pleaded guilty) of hitting his wife. So Autain (who has always been a feminist first) said "in France insoumise it's better to be convicted of domestic violence than defending democracy, protesting against antisemitism after october 7 and pleading for the union of the left". Ruffin said: "I wasn't stopped by the (fourches caudines) obstacles of your idiocy and your sectarian views. You prefer a man who beats his wife, author of domestic violence, to comrades who have the audacity of having a disagreement with the Big chief. Our democracy deserves better than you. " Sounds like you are thrilled with the candidate selection…. Btw, Glucksmann is a pathetic joke. No self respect. |
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Post by relique on Jun 15, 2024 7:05:07 GMT
LFI has released its list of candidates. Except for Ruffin and Autain, they purged all the people who at one point were not on the same lign as Mélenchon, including incumbents Corbière, Garrido, Davi, Simmonnet... At the same time, they still support Quattennens who was convicted (and pleaded guilty) of hitting his wife. So Autain (who has always been a feminist first) said "in France insoumise it's better to be convicted of domestic violence than defending democracy, protesting against antisemitism after october 7 and pleading for the union of the left". Ruffin said: "I wasn't stopped by the (fourches caudines) obstacles of your idiocy and your sectarian views. You prefer a man who beats his wife, author of domestic violence, to comrades who have the audacity of having a disagreement with the Big chief. Our democracy deserves better than you. " Sounds like you are thrilled with the candidate selection…. Btw, Glucksmann is a pathetic joke. No self respect.
Well, honestly, I have never been a fan of Corbière, Garrido or Simmonnet. They were the previous generation of close apparatchiks to Mélenchon who were quite as bad as those that currently are his clan. I do appreciate Ruffin, who I believe to be the most consensual politician on the left, who kept criticizing his insoumis comrades for staying in the banlieues and not working on the rural/peripheric working class. He's also much more republican and understand better what (working class) people voting RN want (and he has never been a close relationship to Mélenchon). I really disagree with Autain more but I respect her as someone who always spoke her truth and never behaved as a hypocritical hired gun.
There are indeed dozens of insoumis or green candidates I would never vote for. At least in the first round. In my constituency, I'll not vote for the insoumis candidate as 1 vote = 1,2€ / year for the Insoumis (and I defenitively don't want them keeping means to keep destroying the left in the future). I will vote for him on the second round (if a second round is needed) because I will prefer his votes to the votes by Renaissance or RN in the national assembly, quite simply.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 7:10:09 GMT
Sounds like you are thrilled with the candidate selection…. Btw, Glucksmann is a pathetic joke. No self respect.
Well, honestly, I have never been a fan of Corbière, Garrido or Simmonnet. They were the previous generation of close apparatchiks to Mélenchon who were quite as bad as those that currently are his clan. I do appreciate Ruffin, who I believe to be the most consensual politician on the left, who kept criticizing his insoumis comrades for staying in the banlieues and not working on the rural/peripheric working class. He's also much more republican and understand better what (working class) people voting RN want (and he has never been a close relationship to Mélenchon). I really disagree with Autain more but I respect her as someone who always spoke her truth and never behaved as a hypocritical hired gun.
There are indeed dozens of insoumis or green candidates I would never vote for. At least in the first round. In my constituency, I'll not vote for the insoumis candidate as 1 vote = 1,2€ / year for the Insoumis (and I defenitively don't want them keeping means to keep destroying the left in the future). I will vote for him on the second round (if a second round is needed) because I will prefer his votes to the votes by Renaissance or RN in the national assembly, quite simply.
Totally understandable, I’d probably vote the same way if I was in your shoes. Btw, with Ciotti back in charge, I presume that the RN-LR alliance is going ahead? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 15, 2024 7:22:41 GMT
LFI really does have the whiff of political cult.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 7:31:32 GMT
LFI really does have the whiff of political cult. I honestly don’t have a problem with LFI being a cult party, my problem with them is their violent/revolutionary tendencies. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 15, 2024 7:35:38 GMT
LFI really does have the whiff of political cult. I honestly don’t have a problem with LFI being a cult party, my problem with them is their violent/revolutionary tendencies. Such things tend to go hand in hand! If you are pure and the enemy is not, you can assault them without a second thought. |
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Post by relique on Jun 15, 2024 8:20:46 GMT
Well, honestly, I have never been a fan of Corbière, Garrido or Simmonnet. They were the previous generation of close apparatchiks to Mélenchon who were quite as bad as those that currently are his clan. I do appreciate Ruffin, who I believe to be the most consensual politician on the left, who kept criticizing his insoumis comrades for staying in the banlieues and not working on the rural/peripheric working class. He's also much more republican and understand better what (working class) people voting RN want (and he has never been a close relationship to Mélenchon). I really disagree with Autain more but I respect her as someone who always spoke her truth and never behaved as a hypocritical hired gun.
There are indeed dozens of insoumis or green candidates I would never vote for. At least in the first round. In my constituency, I'll not vote for the insoumis candidate as 1 vote = 1,2€ / year for the Insoumis (and I defenitively don't want them keeping means to keep destroying the left in the future). I will vote for him on the second round (if a second round is needed) because I will prefer his votes to the votes by Renaissance or RN in the national assembly, quite simply.
Totally understandable, I’d probably vote the same way if I was in your shoes. Btw, with Ciotti back in charge, I presume that the RN-LR alliance is going ahead? His alliance is going forward but he's weak. The treasurer, the vp's, all the bureau are against him. There will be more legal battles.
If I were a LR politician (against Ciotti), I would create another political party to get my candidates a new label which will be able to pull public funds going forward.
Then, there's the question of current funds inside LR. They won't want them to stay with Ciotti. Their problem has always been their complete disregard for counterpowers to the president. I don't have knowledge of their statutes to know how to provoke a congress to change president. But I would try and do that, and in the meantime just let it be an empty shell.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 8:41:10 GMT
Totally understandable, I’d probably vote the same way if I was in your shoes. Btw, with Ciotti back in charge, I presume that the RN-LR alliance is going ahead? His alliance is going forward but he's weak. The treasurer, the vp's, all the bureau are against him. There will be more legal battles.
If I were a LR politician (against Ciotti), I would create another political party to get my candidates a new label which will be able to pull public funds going forward.
Then, there's the question of current funds inside LR. They won't want them to stay with Ciotti. Their problem has always been their complete disregard for counterpowers to the president. I don't have knowledge of their statutes to know how to provoke a congress to change president. But I would try and do that, and in the meantime just let it be an empty shell.
I honestly don’t understand why LR still exists. Part of the party should just defect to Horizons, and the rest should create a party called ‘Gaullist Right’ or ‘Republican Right’ and join RN as a proper coalition member with more Economically Liberal (and less nationalistic) tendencies… |
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Post by cogload on Jun 15, 2024 8:47:23 GMT
Is Ciotti still holed up? 😉
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Post by relique on Jun 15, 2024 11:09:36 GMT
Oh my god... (and I'm an atheist).
François Hollande is candidate for the Nouveau Front Populaire in Corrèze...
I just can't take it. I'll try and forget.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 11:22:09 GMT
Oh my god... (and I'm an atheist). François Hollande is candidate for the Nouveau Front Populaire in Corrèze... I just can't take it. I'll try and forget. I want to congratulate the LR candidate in the Correze constituency where Hollande is contesting (unless RN somehow wins there)…. |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 15, 2024 11:23:33 GMT
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