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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 14, 2024 9:29:07 GMT
Apologies, my eyesight obviously isn't quite what it used to be! Blinded by success, I suppose  |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 9:58:20 GMT
Left candidates selected:- Why did they give so many non-urban seats to EELV? |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 10:16:03 GMT
The President of National Assembly Yael-Braun Pivet said that she’d personally support PS,EELV and PCF candidates over RN in the 2nd round, but not LFI candidates. That’s probably a relatively common position among centre-left Macronists.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 10:27:31 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 14, 2024 10:55:39 GMT
Since Macron's announcement:
- the CAC40 has dropped 5 per cent, its worst weekly performance since September 2022.
- the euro has sunk against the dollar, pound, yen ,CHF and even the basket case that is the Swedish krona.
- Barclays has issued a warning about investing in European shares entirely because of the political situation in France.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 14, 2024 12:20:38 GMT
Le Nouvel Obs have put together a video of archive footage of previous dissolutions under De Gaulle, Chirac and now Macron. They appear to be missing the dissolution by Mitterrand, which is available and also added below.
Notably, the general did not announce the dissolution himself, but left it to Chaban-Delmas. You know that France used to have better politicians when someone of that gravitas was merely the stand-in reading out a message.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 15:31:15 GMT
What's Coco? Google isn't helping. Communist. You'll see on the map that the 50 seats allocated to them are marked "PCF". But why’z it called “Coco”? |
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Post by john07 on Jun 14, 2024 15:34:27 GMT
Communist. You'll see on the map that the 50 seats allocated to them are marked "PCF". But why’z it called “Coco”? Is their leader a clown? |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 15:43:24 GMT
Should have said “Governing party not polling third YET”! 😝 I did Deliberately When I read that post I thought it was a semantic or theological argument between the different meanings of “not polling third yet” and “not yet polling third”. A bit like the arguments about transubsantiation, consubstantaiation, the Trinity of all in one, or all-separate-but-the-same, and other impenetrable gibberishisms. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2024 16:30:51 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 14, 2024 16:40:06 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now?
There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again.
Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble.
It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 14, 2024 16:42:52 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 17:00:00 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now? There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again. Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble. It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas. But the 2nd worst option for France… |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 17:03:52 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2024 17:04:16 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now?
There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again. Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble. It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas. Winning the Election. simples. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 14, 2024 17:27:41 GMT
And below there's a LFI deputy accusing the RN of being behind the Hyper Catcher attack! |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 17:31:30 GMT
And below there's a LFI deputy accusing the RN of being behind the Hyper Catcher attack! Yes, I really hope no one actually believes that RN has anything to do with HyperCatcher…. |
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Post by right on Jun 14, 2024 18:20:01 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now? There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again. Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble. It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas. A large number of RN candidates getting to the second round and a panicked scramble between Macronistas and 57 varieties of Marxists to have a mutual voting pact, with the centre rightists split asunder. Then when the RN gets a tiny handful of seats with 40-45% of the second round vote have smug congratulations across the ruling class. And then have two years of general governance car crash with a hard left controlled Assembly and the RN the only substantial political force with their hands clean. And the centre right so alienated by the government they are now firmly allied. |
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Post by right on Jun 14, 2024 18:22:40 GMT
A thought. What's the best outcome for the RN right now?
There's an argument that winning these legislatives is not the best outcome. If the Macronie descends again, then they've got an enemy in place, but he's just beaten them again. Surely the best outcome is one of this new Left coalition going into Matignon with a minority government. It is guaranteed to be a complete shitshow, forces Macron to attack them, and there will definitely be a Truss moment - the bonds are already in trouble. It might just be the best result for LR - and it might even be the best result for the Macronistas. Winning the Election. simples. Which one, now or the Presidency? If they get the Presidency then the Assembly can come soon after. |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 14, 2024 18:25:40 GMT
I wonder how LR/Ens 1st round voters are going to break this time compared to 2022.
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