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Post by rogerg on Jul 10, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
I think Labour now have more MPs in Kent than county councillors.
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Post by batman on Jul 10, 2024 22:13:48 GMT
Labour has never before won more seats than the Tories in Kent. In 1945, 1997 & 2001 the Tories won one more seat than Labour.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 10, 2024 23:51:53 GMT
Kent won't go to majority Labour control. No overall control maybe. I doubt any honeymoon (such as it is) will have faded by May or that the Tories will have signifcantly recovered, but there just aren't enough winnable seats for Labour in Kent for them to win a majority. I can certainly see the Lib Dems win majority control for the first time in some counties like Surrey and Hertfordshire (but not in Kent)
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 20:48:09 GMT
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Post by londonseal80 on Jul 24, 2024 20:07:03 GMT
Kent won't go to majority Labour control. No overall control maybe. I doubt any honeymoon (such as it is) will have faded by May or that the Tories will have signifcantly recovered, but there just aren't enough winnable seats for Labour in Kent for them to win a majority. I can certainly see the Lib Dems win majority control for the first time in some counties like Surrey and Hertfordshire (but not in Kent) Labour will definitely not gain Kent CC, if you look at the PCC results the Cons were still miles ahead of Labour here. Essex was a lot closer, but again I don’t Labour will gain that county council either. The last time Labour won Essex it had the likes of Leyton, Barking and Walthamstow in it. |
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Post by kitesurfer on Jul 24, 2024 22:53:47 GMT
It would be interesting to see the breakdown of the popular vote across Kent generally. Did Labour even win the popular vote? I know they won many more seats than the Tories, but in places like Sevenoaks, Tunbridge Wells and Tonbridge, Labour would have been exceptionally far behind. Conversely, the Labour-held seats are generally fairly marginal.
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Post by john07 on Jul 24, 2024 23:48:00 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 25, 2024 8:38:30 GMT
That one should have been posted on the Amazing Stupidity abd Ignorance thread. That is all just so Dale in every respect. He is a quite nice, well-intentioned absolute plonker. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 25, 2024 8:41:54 GMT
That one should have been posted on the Amazing Stupidity abd Ignorance thread. That is all just so Dale in every respect. He is a quite nice, well-intentioned absolute plonker. But he is a very good broadcaster - particularly the 7-10pm session. I am glad he came back! |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 25, 2024 8:44:33 GMT
That is all just so Dale in every respect. He is a quite nice, well-intentioned absolute plonker. But he is a very good broadcaster - particularly the 7-10pm session. I am glad he came back! But needs a fact-checker and prone to frequent gaffs. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 25, 2024 22:47:27 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless.
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 0:17:01 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless. Yes. I think the Tory advantage in the latter was Tuge big for any single party to coalesce the anti-blue vote and win it. However, if we think Tom could win back the Lib Dem seat here, I have a (Tun)bridge to sell you... |
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Post by john07 on Jul 26, 2024 0:38:33 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless. Yes. I think the Tory advantage in the latter was Tuge big for any single party to coalesce the anti-blue vote and win it. However, if we think Tom could win back the Lib Dem seat here, I have a (Tun)bridge to sell you... Feel the burn! |
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Post by ccoleman on Jul 26, 2024 1:14:42 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless. I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 1:18:33 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless. I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. Yes. The whole 'Down From London' phenomena seems relevant here, and in Canterbury to a degree. I'd add Worthing to that too. Hitherto safe seats that have undergone huge changes although, and this is probably more incisive commentary, the Tory Party has changed hugely since all of them were safe berths for that party. |
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Post by ccoleman on Jul 26, 2024 1:21:27 GMT
I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. Yes. The whole 'Down From London' phenomena seems relevant here, and in Canterbury to a degree. I'd add Worthing to that too. Hitherto safe seats that have undergone huge changes although, and this is probably more incisive commentary, the Tory Party has changed hugely since all of them were safe berths for that party. indeed - the Conservative Party has moved away from the places like Tunbridge Wells just as much as places like Tunbridge Wells have moved away from the Conservative Party. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 1:22:43 GMT
Yes. The whole 'Down From London' phenomena seems relevant here, and in Canterbury to a degree. I'd add Worthing to that too. Hitherto safe seats that have undergone huge changes although, and this is probably more incisive commentary, the Tory Party has changed hugely since all of them were safe berths for that party. indeed - the Conservative Party has moved away from the places like Tunbridge Wells just as much as places like Tunbridge Wells have moved away from the Conservative Party. Deeply ironic because Rishi Sunak seemingly made a big thing of talking up levelling up £ for Tunbridge Wells in his failed summer 2022 leadership campaign IIRC. |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 26, 2024 2:53:00 GMT
But he is a very good broadcaster - particularly the 7-10pm session. I am glad he came back! But needs a fact-checker and prone to frequent gaffs. Well, he'll certainly never be homeless then! I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. Yes. The whole 'Down From London' phenomena seems relevant here, and in Canterbury to a degree. Is it a phenomen on that seems relevant, or more than one phenomenon and they seem relevant? |
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Post by aargauer on Jul 26, 2024 5:37:03 GMT
Interesting how Tunbridge Wells was almost a walkover for the Lib Dems but neighbouring Tonbridge remained quite strongly Tory - I know the opposition was heavily divided and it wouldn’t have been a target seat for any of the opposition parties, but quite a difference nonetheless. I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. When I lived in Orpington (2019) and was considering moving to Kent after kids, and went down that train line in search of the best place to live, I wasn't impressed with Tunbridge Wells at all. It felt very shabby. And it's a long way out. Tonbridge feels much more pleasant with the river, castle and posh school. Of course, Sevenoaks is nicer still, but very expensive. Had I not gone out to Switzerland I'd likely have chosen Tonbridge. |
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Post by ccoleman on Jul 26, 2024 8:43:09 GMT
I'd place Tunbridge Wells in the same category as St Albans, Bath and Cheltenham - affluent, highly educated, socially liberal, Remain-voting. Probably a far more popular destination for Londoners-in-exile than Tonbridge as well. It seems quite different to the rest of Kent. When I lived in Orpington (2019) and was considering moving to Kent after kids, and went down that train line in search of the best place to live, I wasn't impressed with Tunbridge Wells at all. It felt very shabby. And it's a long way out. Tonbridge feels much more pleasant with the river, castle and posh school. Of course, Sevenoaks is nicer still, but very expensive. Had I not gone out to Switzerland I'd likely have chosen Tonbridge. I can’t really speak on how nice or shabby they are since Kent is a county I haven’t been to in years. Looking at the census data though, the Tunbridge Wells constituency has both the highest percentage of people employed in professional/managerial services and the highest percentage of people educated to degree level of all Kent constituencies. It’s the only Kent constituency that’s in the top 100 nationally for both (Tonbridge & Malling isn’t in the top 100 for either). On paper it’s definitely easy to see why the Lib Dems have done so well here compared to neighbouring Tonbridge and Sevenoaks. |
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