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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 13, 2024 20:44:11 GMT
I don't know. Corbyn Labour had a vice like grip on Muslim voters when he ruled the roost. I think it was a consequential endorsement and must've been made by a reason. I hope Ash Dieback (I mean Ashworth) doesn't came back. He will, and in somewhere without a heavy Muslim population. would never rule it out given the characters who've returned like old familiar faces in Dr who in a season finale. But it wouldn't be advisable, maybe wait until the next election |
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Post by Ports on Jul 13, 2024 21:07:19 GMT
I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Ashworth, despite clearly not being on his wing on the party he stayed in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet all the way through including amongst the mass 2016 resignations That was due to his role as Labour Party Chair. I'm sure he would've resigned had he been in a different portfolio. |
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Post by redtony on Jul 14, 2024 20:30:42 GMT
was he not health
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Post by redtony on Jul 14, 2024 20:33:26 GMT
none 0f the pro Gaza independent MPs are 0n the Left
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Post by Ports on Jul 14, 2024 21:22:45 GMT
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 15, 2024 7:38:51 GMT
It will surely be easier for Labour to handle things next time if Corbyn runs again, for obvious reasons. Apart from leaving things so late, last week's hopeful being so intimately linked with private health care was an easy "win" for his campaign - and one they duly exploited. (which does not rule out him being returned for another, less sensitive, seat in 2028/29) Bet your bottom dollar, he'll probably get Islington South in 2028/29, especially now that Thornberry has been phased out of the Cabinet, she'll probably retire next time. |
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Post by wickofthesouth on Jul 15, 2024 11:12:32 GMT
It will surely be easier for Labour to handle things next time if Corbyn runs again, for obvious reasons. Apart from leaving things so late, last week's hopeful being so intimately linked with private health care was an easy "win" for his campaign - and one they duly exploited. (which does not rule out him being returned for another, less sensitive, seat in 2028/29) Bet your bottom dollar, he'll probably get Islington South in 2028/29, especially now that Thornberry has been phased out of the Cabinet, she'll probably retire next time. If he does, that would make Islington South a likely Green gain. |
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Post by batman on Jul 15, 2024 12:00:35 GMT
Jon Ashworth has won plenty of elections with large majorities up to the one earlier this month which he lost. He is not some uniquely unpopular election-losing machine. There's no reason why he would do all that much differently from any Labour candidate in that constituency. Having said that, I don't see it as all that likely he'd go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
Portillo got back in in 1999, but his career effectively ended when he lost in 1997. Given that Ashworth had been an MP for 13 years (as long as Portillo in Enfield, Southgate FWIW), I think / hope that pale, male and stale apparatchik's career is over. New Labour tribute shouldn't be reborn, it should be buried.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 15, 2024 12:06:44 GMT
Jon Ashworth has won plenty of elections with large majorities up to the one earlier this month which he lost. He is not some uniquely unpopular election-losing machine. There's no reason why he would do all that much differently from any Labour candidate in that constituency. Having said that, I don't see it as all that likely he'd go for it. I would say that from my experience he appeared to be the least involved of the Leicester MPs in Leicester. Not always a bad thing. Keith Vaz was too involved. I have only twice written to an MP and Jon was one of them. Sadly never heard back. Did flag it with him and was nice enough to say he'd look into but still never got a reply |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 15, 2024 14:14:45 GMT
No they don't. Jeremy Corbyn has a 7,000 vote majority and will win Islington North in 2029 if he tries again. Given that Skinner ran again in 2015 and 2017 at 83 and 85 respectively, I don't see Corbyn calling it quits at 80. It's a job for life for him, quite possibly. You will see tactical unwind for Labour next time and the Lib Dems and Tories will do better - not least because VAT on private schools will affect more well-off voters around Highbury and Tufnell Park, and elsewhere in the seat. Remember that parts of Highgate are in this constituency and wards like Junction and Hillrise would've had a fair few Lib Dem and (some) Tory tactical voting for Labour. Parts of those wards are highly affluent owner-occupied, semi-detached houses. Corbyn still won them, in all likelihood, however. I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. I think it is very unlikely he will end up their "leader" but he will certain work with them on areas of mutual interest. It is worth repeating that the four men in question are anything but a unified front anyway. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 15, 2024 16:16:51 GMT
Bet your bottom dollar, he'll probably get Islington South in 2028/29, especially now that Thornberry has been phased out of the Cabinet, she'll probably retire next time. If he does, that would make Islington South a likely Green gain. Apologies if the declaration has already been posted on here alas it has been pushed way up. But whatever you make of him the ‘unlucky mate’ heckle when Praful’s name was read out, was such perfect timing, totally unexpected and what a crystal clear voice that shouted it. I don’t know how the returning officer kept a straight face, perhaps she’s a Labour councillor! If I was there I would have lost it Bradley Walsh style trying not to laugh. |
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Post by wallington on Jul 15, 2024 20:22:07 GMT
Jon Ashworth has won plenty of elections with large majorities up to the one earlier this month which he lost. He is not some uniquely unpopular election-losing machine. There's no reason why he would do all that much differently from any Labour candidate in that constituency. Having said that, I don't see it as all that likely he'd go for it. not relevant to this thread, so maybe worth starting one in General Politics section if others get involved. My experience of constituency MPs... Tom Brake was by far the best in terms of responding and helping, also he was very visible in the constituency, and personable if you saw him. Steve Reed was probably been the worst, his office never really responded. Sarah Jones was pretty good and responding and getting things sorted. My mum worked at the home office dealing with London MP enquiries, she said Simon Hughes was very active and a very large chunk of enquires came from his office. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:10 GMT
Jon Ashworth has won plenty of elections with large majorities up to the one earlier this month which he lost. He is not some uniquely unpopular election-losing machine. There's no reason why he would do all that much differently from any Labour candidate in that constituency. Having said that, I don't see it as all that likely he'd go for it. not relevant to this thread, so maybe worth starting one in General Politics section if others get involved. My experience of constituency MPs... Tom Brake was by far the best in terms of responding and helping, also he was very visible in the constituency, and personable if you saw him. Steve Reed was probably been the worst, his office never really responded. Sarah Jones was pretty good and responding and getting things sorted. My mum worked at the home office dealing with London MP enquiries, she said Simon Hughes was very active and a very large chunk of enquires came from his office. unsurprisingly a very strange bloke apparently, surprisingly his successor was quite very personable |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 16, 2024 14:29:06 GMT
Bet your bottom dollar, he'll probably get Islington South in 2028/29, especially now that Thornberry has been phased out of the Cabinet, she'll probably retire next time. If he does, that would make Islington South a likely Green gain. Would like to see what happens in the 2026 elections in Islington. If anything the Greens are stronger in Islington N than South with their three Green councillors in Highbury and getting a third of the vote in 2022. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 2:19:31 GMT
If he does, that would make Islington South a likely Green gain. Would like to see what happens in the 2026 elections in Islington. If anything the Greens are stronger in Islington N than South with their three Green councillors in Highbury and getting a third of the vote in 2022. 2026 Islington elections I think Lib Dems sweep St Mary & St James's and Greens win everything in Tufnell Park, at the very least. The other wards are harder, IMHO. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 18, 2024 22:44:25 GMT
I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Ashworth, despite clearly not being on his wing on the party he stayed in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet all the way through including amongst the mass 2016 resignations That, and his behaviour on the Gaza vote shows he will just follow the current leader wherever they go. I wouldn't praise someone whose main ideology is "be in Shadow Cabinet no matter what". |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 23, 2024 15:34:52 GMT
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 23, 2024 15:41:53 GMT
Bit of a kick in the teeth for Ashworth, despite clearly not being on his wing on the party he stayed in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet all the way through including amongst the mass 2016 resignations That, and his behaviour on the Gaza vote shows he will just follow the current leader wherever they go. I wouldn't praise someone whose main ideology is "be in Shadow Cabinet no matter what". Someone told me that the biggest faction in any political party are 'those who want a job'. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 23, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
That, and his behaviour on the Gaza vote shows he will just follow the current leader wherever they go. I wouldn't praise someone whose main ideology is "be in Shadow Cabinet no matter what". Someone told me that the biggest faction in any political party are 'those who want a job'. In the SNP it is those who had a job |
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