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Post by batman on Jul 12, 2024 12:27:58 GMT
I hasten to add that I still believe that there are people who are basically in support of Corbyn's erstwhile leadership of the party (even if they didn't call for a vote for Corbyn in Islington North in 2024) who are motivated by very honourable & generally supportable motives.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 12, 2024 13:38:37 GMT
The problem with Corbyn comes from his instinctive support for the underdog, his belief that those with less power should automatically be sympathised with.
In reality, this is not always the case. A lot of the time, the less powerful are absolute twats, and it is a fundamentally good thing that they are downtrodden, dispossessed, or otherwise curtailed in their activities.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 12, 2024 13:58:17 GMT
People who voted for the Labour Party in the general elections of 2017 and 2019, when Jeremy Corbyn was leader, were stupid ipso facto, albeit that they did not vote for him to become prime minister. have you ever considered people share a different opinion to you? Of course I am aware that a tiny minority of insane stupid people incorrectly disagree with me about some things, and incorrectly illogically have different opinions from me. The fact that I am so overwhelmingly tolerant and understanding of such deranged weird people is one of the great features of our peaceful and tranquil democracy. |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 12, 2024 14:30:13 GMT
While I appreciate that prodding Corbyn fans (past and present) may be fun isn’t it a little redundant? Nobody is suggesting that he’ll ever hold a position of significance within the party again.
I’d refer to my previous remarks about the relative insignificance of party leadership in constitutional (and practical) terms and draw people’s attention to another party changing leader 4 times in the last 8 years without the electorate having any role in those changes. And that caused me no concern.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 12, 2024 18:04:07 GMT
have you ever considered people share a different opinion to you? Of course I am aware that a tiny minority of insane stupid people incorrectly disagree with me about some things, and incorrectly illogically have different opinions from me. The fact that I am so overwhelmingly tolerant and understanding of such deranged weird people is one of the great features of our peaceful and tranquil democracy. 12 million a tiny minority? |
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Post by batman on Jul 12, 2024 19:02:44 GMT
John is not being entirely serious, Matt.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 12, 2024 19:34:53 GMT
John is not being entirely serious, Matt. don't ruin my fun  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 13, 2024 6:30:03 GMT
It had occurred to me that in winning Chelsea & Fulham and the Cities, Labour now held every constituency covering the former LCC area but had forgotten that they don't hold this seat so ironic that Corbyn cost them that particular prize. It's quite likely that when they do recover this seat, the Conservatives will also recover one or more of the central London seats so it may yet never happen. It remains the case that the Conservatives are absent from that area for the first time since 1865.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 7:04:43 GMT
The Left and Corbyn need to start embedding in a successor to JC for the 2033/4 GE (or maybe the 2028/9). Islington N ought to be treated as hallowed ground for socialism in England and prepare a socialist to take over from Jeremy as an Independent. Perhaps Feinstein? Andrew Fisher? No they don't. Jeremy Corbyn has a 7,000 vote majority and will win Islington North in 2029 if he tries again. Given that Skinner ran again in 2015 and 2017 at 83 and 85 respectively, I don't see Corbyn calling it quits at 80. It's a job for life for him, quite possibly. You will see tactical unwind for Labour next time and the Lib Dems and Tories will do better - not least because VAT on private schools will affect more well-off voters around Highbury and Tufnell Park, and elsewhere in the seat. Remember that parts of Highgate are in this constituency and wards like Junction and Hillrise would've had a fair few Lib Dem and (some) Tory tactical voting for Labour. Parts of those wards are highly affluent owner-occupied, semi-detached houses. Corbyn still won them, in all likelihood, however. |
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Post by aargauer on Jul 13, 2024 19:12:51 GMT
The Left and Corbyn need to start embedding in a successor to JC for the 2033/4 GE (or maybe the 2028/9). Islington N ought to be treated as hallowed ground for socialism in England and prepare a socialist to take over from Jeremy as an Independent. Perhaps Feinstein? Andrew Fisher? No they don't. Jeremy Corbyn has a 7,000 vote majority and will win Islington North in 2029 if he tries again. Given that Skinner ran again in 2015 and 2017 at 83 and 85 respectively, I don't see Corbyn calling it quits at 80. It's a job for life for him, quite possibly. You will see tactical unwind for Labour next time and the Lib Dems and Tories will do better - not least because VAT on private schools will affect more well-off voters around Highbury and Tufnell Park, and elsewhere in the seat. Remember that parts of Highgate are in this constituency and wards like Junction and Hillrise would've had a fair few Lib Dem and (some) Tory tactical voting for Labour. Parts of those wards are highly affluent owner-occupied, semi-detached houses. Corbyn still won them, in all likelihood, however. I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. |
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Post by Ports on Jul 13, 2024 19:20:48 GMT
No they don't. Jeremy Corbyn has a 7,000 vote majority and will win Islington North in 2029 if he tries again. Given that Skinner ran again in 2015 and 2017 at 83 and 85 respectively, I don't see Corbyn calling it quits at 80. It's a job for life for him, quite possibly. You will see tactical unwind for Labour next time and the Lib Dems and Tories will do better - not least because VAT on private schools will affect more well-off voters around Highbury and Tufnell Park, and elsewhere in the seat. Remember that parts of Highgate are in this constituency and wards like Junction and Hillrise would've had a fair few Lib Dem and (some) Tory tactical voting for Labour. Parts of those wards are highly affluent owner-occupied, semi-detached houses. Corbyn still won them, in all likelihood, however. I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. |
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Post by birkinabe on Jul 13, 2024 19:21:34 GMT
I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. He recently co-signed a letter to David Lammy about Gaza with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 19:27:33 GMT
I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Quite possibly decisively. He should have endorsed all of the independents -"If I can't be in power, none of the centrists can be either"? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 13, 2024 19:35:49 GMT
I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Quite possibly decisively. He should have endorsed all of the independents -"If I can't be in power, none of the centrists can be either"? I doubt it made a difference in Leicester. It's been a long time since I was there but local politics is king |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 19:45:52 GMT
Quite possibly decisively. He should have endorsed all of the independents -"If I can't be in power, none of the centrists can be either"? I doubt it made a difference in Leicester. It's been a long time since I was there but local politics is king I don't know. Corbyn Labour had a vice like grip on Muslim voters when he ruled the roost. I think it was a consequential endorsement and must've been made by a reason. I hope Ash Dieback (I mean Ashworth) doesn't came back. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 13, 2024 19:47:26 GMT
I'm fascinated to see whether he sets himself up as the leader of the various Gaza independents and causes trouble or whether he just potters around Islington. I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Ashworth, despite clearly not being on his wing on the party he stayed in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet all the way through including amongst the mass 2016 resignations |
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Post by aargauer on Jul 13, 2024 19:56:51 GMT
I doubt it made a difference in Leicester. It's been a long time since I was there but local politics is king I don't know. Corbyn Labour had a vice like grip on Muslim voters when he ruled the roost. I think it was a consequential endorsement and must've been made by a reason. I hope Ash Dieback (I mean Ashworth) doesn't came back. He will, and in somewhere without a heavy Muslim population. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 13, 2024 20:05:54 GMT
I don't know. Corbyn Labour had a vice like grip on Muslim voters when he ruled the roost. I think it was a consequential endorsement and must've been made by a reason. I hope Ash Dieback (I mean Ashworth) doesn't came back. He will, and in somewhere without a heavy Muslim population. Highly likely to stand in a by-election in this Parliament I would say. |
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Post by hengog on Jul 13, 2024 20:08:16 GMT
I hadn't realised it until afterwards, but he did endorse Shockat Adam during the election. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Ashworth, despite clearly not being on his wing on the party he stayed in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet all the way through including amongst the mass 2016 resignations Useful reminder: I’d felt a bit sorry for him before reading that. |
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Post by birkinabe on Jul 13, 2024 20:41:16 GMT
I doubt it made a difference in Leicester. It's been a long time since I was there but local politics is king I don't know. Corbyn Labour had a vice like grip on Muslim voters when he ruled the roost. I think it was a consequential endorsement and must've been made by a reason. I hope Ash Dieback (I mean Ashworth) doesn't came back. Corbyn and Labour under his leadership were indeed exceptionally popular with Muslim voters*, however I think what ultimately did it in for Ashworth was him and Starmer using Bangladesh as an example of a country that failed asylum seekers weren't being returned to, rather than Corbyn's endorsement of Shockat Adam. *as an aside, this fact really should have raised more alarm bells for those opposed to his leadership than it actually did, especially considering that it's particularly true from a historical persepctive. |
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