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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 14:54:50 GMT
If Starmer loses, and Labour still win the election, does Angela Rayner automatically become party leader and Prime Minister? One for Davıd Boothroyd perhaps. 100/1 odds of Angela Rayner being the next PM, but I'm curious to know what the process would be for a party that wins a landslide despite the leader losing. |
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Post by nyx on Jun 23, 2024 15:05:17 GMT
If Starmer loses, and Labour still win the election, does Angela Rayner automatically become party leader and Prime Minister? One for Davıd Boothroyd perhaps. 100/1 odds of Angela Rayner being the next PM, but I'm curious to know what the process would be for a party that wins a landslide despite the leader losing. Believe the usual practice would be for a veteran MP in a safe seat to stand down and trigger a by-election. There's no reason in theory why the Prime Minister has to be an MP, it's just very inconvenient if that is not the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:06:36 GMT
If Starmer loses, and Labour still win the election, does Angela Rayner automatically become party leader and Prime Minister? One for Davıd Boothroyd perhaps. 100/1 odds of Angela Rayner being the next PM, but I'm curious to know what the process would be for a party that wins a landslide despite the leader losing. Believe the usual practice would be for a veteran MP in a safe seat to stand down and trigger a by-election. There's no reason in theory why the Prime Minister has to be an MP, it's just very inconvenient if that is not the case. I guess there are parallels with Alec Douglas-Home becoming PM in 1963, and I guess a seat would be found, but whether Labour won it is another question. |
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Post by nyx on Jun 23, 2024 15:12:00 GMT
Believe the usual practice would be for a veteran MP in a safe seat to stand down and trigger a by-election. There's no reason in theory why the Prime Minister has to be an MP, it's just very inconvenient if that is not the case. I guess there are parallels with Alec Douglas-Home becoming PM in 1963, and I guess a seat would be found, but whether Labour won it is another question. If Starmer did somehow lose his seat (extremely unlikely) it could only be down to the urban progressive vote. There are plenty of constituencies in the country that are extremely safe for Labour where that would not be a factor, e.g. Blackley and Middleton South is one such seat with an elderly Labour MP |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
I guess there are parallels with Alec Douglas-Home becoming PM in 1963, and I guess a seat would be found, but whether Labour won it is another question. If Starmer did somehow lose his seat (extremely unlikely) it could only be down to the urban progressive vote. There are plenty of constituencies in the country that are extremely safe for Labour where that would not be a factor, e.g. Blackley and Middleton South is one such seat with an elderly Labour MP I think that's true although I think Reform would give him a run for his money if he fled off to Greater Manchester. Are John Bickley or Steven Woolfe still about? |
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Post by cogload on Jun 23, 2024 15:16:29 GMT
If Starmer was in any danger of losing his seat he would be campaigning in it now, like Sunak is in Richmond...
So far he isn't so the local Labour Party must be pretty confident of their gen.
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Post by norflondon on Jun 23, 2024 15:27:46 GMT
Talk of him losing is pointless and a bit ridiculous, although i still belive he will have a significantly reduced vote share this time. Hes not popular or loved, and not well trusted I would venture to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:35:31 GMT
If Starmer was in any danger of losing his seat he would be campaigning in it now, like Sunak is in Richmond... So far he isn't so the local Labour Party must be pretty confident of their gen. He did name check Somers Town (which will almost certainly be his weakest area in the constituency in the GE due to the large British Bangladeshi vote) in a speech recently and apparently Labour have put a lot into advertising in this seat. Source: I used to live in King's Cross, though it was technically St Pancras & Somers Town. |
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Post by cogload on Jun 23, 2024 15:40:23 GMT
If Starmer was in any danger of losing his seat he would be campaigning in it now, like Sunak is in Richmond... So far he isn't so the local Labour Party must be pretty confident of their gen. He did name check Somers Town (which will almost certainly be his weakest area in the constituency in the GE due to the large British Bangladeshi vote) in a speech recently and apparently Labour have put a lot into advertising in this seat. Source: I used to live in King's Cross, though it was technically St Pancras & Somers Town. You seemed to be almost unhealthily obsessed with this. Starmer will win, Feinstein may come 2nd, probably 3rd and there is no requirement for a poll here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:46:56 GMT
He did name check Somers Town (which will almost certainly be his weakest area in the constituency in the GE due to the large British Bangladeshi vote) in a speech recently and apparently Labour have put a lot into advertising in this seat. Source: I used to live in King's Cross, though it was technically St Pancras & Somers Town. You seemed to be almost unhealthily obsessed with this. Starmer will win, Feinstein may come 2nd, probably 3rd and there is ml requirement for a poll here. It is the seat I used to live in and all the candidate selection fiascos have been quite irritating. What makes you think Starmer will win? There might not be a 'need' for a poll as such, but Rotherham has one, and Labour held that since 1933, while this has *only* been Labour since 1945, IIRC. Both have strong challenges to Labour. I take your point though and I may go and campaign for Feinstein instead of ramping him to the boomer Labourites and Liberal Democrats that dominate this site. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 23, 2024 15:50:50 GMT
You campaigning for Feinstein should add a few hundred to Sir Kier's majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:51:10 GMT
You campaigning for Feinstein should add a few hundred to Sir Kier's majority. Very good. How long did that take you? |
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Post by cogload on Jun 23, 2024 15:57:00 GMT
You seemed to be almost unhealthily obsessed with this. Starmer will win, Feinstein may come 2nd, probably 3rd and there is ml requirement for a poll here. It is the seat I used to live in and all the candidate selection fiascos have been quite irritating. What makes you think Starmer will win? There might not be a 'need' for a poll as such, but Rotherham has one, and Labour held that since 1933, while this has *only* been Labour since 1945, IIRC. Both have strong challenges to Labour. I take your point though and I may go and campaign for Feinstein instead of ramping him to the boomer Labourites and Liberal Democrats that dominate this site. Because he has a huge majority, there is a swing to Labour in the polls, the local Labour Party know where their voters are and have the infrastructure to turn out their vote and Starmer hasn't campaigned in his own seat which is usually a clue. Enough already. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 15:59:25 GMT
It is the seat I used to live in and all the candidate selection fiascos have been quite irritating. What makes you think Starmer will win? There might not be a 'need' for a poll as such, but Rotherham has one, and Labour held that since 1933, while this has *only* been Labour since 1945, IIRC. Both have strong challenges to Labour. I take your point though and I may go and campaign for Feinstein instead of ramping him to the boomer Labourites and Liberal Democrats that dominate this site. Because he has a huge majority, there is a swing to Labour in the polls, the local Labour Party know where their voters are and have the infrastructure to turn out their vote and Starmer hasn't campaigned in his own seat which is usually a clue. Enough already. Knowing where 'your voters' are =/= they are voting for you, but you should know that as a Lib Dem. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 23, 2024 16:02:36 GMT
Mods. Can this thread be closed now to shut the clown up for a bit?
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 23, 2024 16:03:07 GMT
Apologies. My wife had a serious checkup today and I was losing sleep over that and lashing out at people - sorry stb12 . Appreciated and accepted. I hope your wife is ok and had good news with the check up seconded |
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 23, 2024 16:07:07 GMT
Liking a candidate, seeing someone as a credible candidate & whether they are a potential winning candidate are 3 totally separate matters. I'd suggest you probably need to stop embarrassing yourself. To (mis)quote G.K. Chesterton, "Smile at us, pay us, pass us, but never forget, we are the people of Holborn & St Pancras, and we have not spoken yet" If that is some sort of eternal truth, then surely the people of (H and St P) will never speak (in the way you hope) |
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 23, 2024 16:08:57 GMT
or to put it another way, they hadn’t in Chestertons time and won’t now so perhaps it’s bollocks
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 23, 2024 16:11:30 GMT
How well is Feinstein doing? Here's Survation's constituency poll to tell us.  |
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Post by IceAgeComing on Jun 23, 2024 16:33:13 GMT
perfect material for a very misleading Green bar chart which considering the conversation in this thread I'd find very amusing
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