Holborn and St Pancras

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Holborn and St Pancras

[John Chanin]

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[The Bishop]

Later became Baroness Jeger, and was a semi-regular of the Guardian letters pages in the 1980s.

[Pete Whitehead]

Notional results since 1945. The 2019 result is the 'official' (Thrasher & Rallings) notional - the others are my own work

	Con	Lab	Lib	Com
1945	34.4%	60.5%	4.8%
1950	38.8%	54.3%	6.0%	1.0%
1951	40.4%	57.5%	2.1%
1955	41.4%	55.2%	1.8%	1.5%
1959	43.0%	53.5%		1.7%
1964	38.7%	59.2%		1.5%
1966	34.7%	63.4%		1.9%

	Con	Lab	Lib/LD	Grn
1970	39.7%	59.1%
1974	29.0%	52.4%	17.8%
1974	27.1%	59.0%	13.9%
1979	35.8%	53.0%	9.2%
1983	31.2%	47.2%	21.3%
1987	31.5%	50.1%	17.7%
1992	28.4%	54.5%	13.5%	2.4%

	Con	Lab	LD	Grn	Ref/UKIP/ BXP
1997	17.9%	65.0%	12.5%		2.1%
2001	16.9%	53.9%	18.0%	6.0%	1.0%
2005	18.9%	43.2%	29.3%	8.1%
2010	19.5%	46.5%	28.5%	2.5%	1.1%
2015	21.2%	54.1%	6.7%	11.9%	5.1%
2017	17.8%	70.6%	7.1%	3.1%	1.2%
2019	15.2%	66.3%	12.3%	4.0%	1.9%

[Deleted]

Andrew Feinstein is standing as a Corbynite independent here.

The only reason I mention this is because he was previously an MP... for the ANC in South Africa. Have there been any other recent Commons candidates who have held office in other countries? Possibly a nationalist in NI, but most seem to have gone to Ireland after NI rather than the other way round (e.g. Gerry Adams, Mark Durkan, Austin Currie...).

[batman]

Some deluded folk seem to think that he can beat Starmer. I mean to say........

[bsjmcr]

I wonder what will happen to Starmer’s majority here though, not that it matters too much in the grand scheme of things. In ‘97 Blair had a massive boost in an already safe seat and even Hague got a leader’s bonus in 2001 in Richmond (unlikely there now with the current candidate!) but somehow I sense a relatively underwhelming result here whether it be due to the independent or the greens given the demographic. There’s a chance his majority / vote share might just be static, and may not achieve as high a majority as 2017 where he did very well. How much of that was a personal vote over two years or the enthusiasm for his neighbour in Islington North I don’t know… but Starmer seems a good fit for the area that contains the British Library and probably a fair few law courts.

[norflondon]

His majority will not be as great as in 2019 (27,000). Turnout down. But probably +20k.

Feinstein would do well to save his deposit.

[right]

May 23, 2024 19:38:40 GMT @nw12398 said:

Andrew Feinstein is standing as a Corbynite independent here.

The only reason I mention this is because he was previously an MP... for the ANC in South Africa. Have there been any other recent Commons candidates who have held office in other countries? Possibly a nationalist in NI, but most seem to have gone to Ireland after NI rather than the other way round (e.g. Gerry Adams, Mark Durkan, Austin Currie...).

Not quite the same thing, but the Irish Nationalist who remained MP for Liverpool Scotland into the 1930s came to mind

[Wisconsin]

May 23, 2024 19:38:40 GMT @nw12398 said:

Andrew Feinstein is standing as a Corbynite independent here.

The only reason I mention this is because he was previously an MP... for the ANC in South Africa. Have there been any other recent Commons candidates who have held office in other countries? Possibly a nationalist in NI, but most seem to have gone to Ireland after NI rather than the other way round (e.g. Gerry Adams, Mark Durkan, Austin Currie...).

I asked an AI for the answer, which I’m sure is 100% correct:

“Yes, there have been several individuals who have served as members of Parliament in two different countries. Here are a few notable examples:

1. **Winston Churchill**: Churchill served as a Member of Parliament (MP) in the United Kingdom and also had a brief stint as a member of the Canadian Parliament. In 1929, he was elected to the Canadian Parliament as an honorary MP.

2. **George Galloway**: Galloway was a UK MP who also ran for and was elected to the Iraqi Parliament in 2010. However, his election to the Iraqi Parliament was symbolic as he did not take up the seat.

3. **Michael Ignatieff**: A prominent Canadian politician, Ignatieff served as a Member of Parliament in Canada. Before his political career in Canada, he held various academic positions in the United Kingdom and was involved in political discourse, although he was not an elected MP in the UK.

4. **T.P. O'Connor**: T.P. O'Connor was an Irish nationalist politician who served as an MP in the United Kingdom. He was also elected to the French Parliament, although, similar to Galloway, his role was more honorary.

These examples demonstrate that while it is relatively uncommon, there have been instances of individuals serving in the parliaments of two different countries, sometimes in honorary or symbolic capacities.“

[greatkingrat]

Jacek Rostowski, former deputy PM of Poland, stood on the Change UK list for the 2019 Euros.

[LDCaerdydd]

Gerald Strickland was the Leader of the Opposition in Malta (1921-1927) and Prime Minister (1927-1932) whilst also serving as the MP for Lancaster between 1924 and 1928. He left the Commons in 1928 after being created a Peer.

[batman]

I knew Michael Ignatieff very slightly as he was at King's College Cambridge at the same time as me. Another Canadian whom I knew slightly there, Sylvana Tomaselli, is now a member by marriage of the Royal Family as Countess of St Andrews.

[r34t]

May 23, 2024 19:49:04 GMT batman said:

Some deluded folk seem to think that he can beat Starmer. I mean to say........

wasn't there some part of the more ridiculous outer fringes of X that were speculating that Starmer would have to do a chicken run ........

[rogerg]

May 24, 2024 9:01:48 GMT Wisconsin said:

May 23, 2024 19:38:40 GMT @nw12398 said:

Andrew Feinstein is standing as a Corbynite independent here.

The only reason I mention this is because he was previously an MP... for the ANC in South Africa. Have there been any other recent Commons candidates who have held office in other countries? Possibly a nationalist in NI, but most seem to have gone to Ireland after NI rather than the other way round (e.g. Gerry Adams, Mark Durkan, Austin Currie...).

I asked an AI for the answer, which I’m sure is 100% correct:

“Yes, there have been several individuals who have served as members of Parliament in two different countries. Here are a few notable examples:

1. **Winston Churchill**: Churchill served as a Member of Parliament (MP) in the United Kingdom and also had a brief stint as a member of the Canadian Parliament. In 1929, he was elected to the Canadian Parliament as an honorary MP.

2. **George Galloway**: Galloway was a UK MP who also ran for and was elected to the Iraqi Parliament in 2010. However, his election to the Iraqi Parliament was symbolic as he did not take up the seat.

3. **Michael Ignatieff**: A prominent Canadian politician, Ignatieff served as a Member of Parliament in Canada. Before his political career in Canada, he held various academic positions in the United Kingdom and was involved in political discourse, although he was not an elected MP in the UK.

4. **T.P. O'Connor**: T.P. O'Connor was an Irish nationalist politician who served as an MP in the United Kingdom. He was also elected to the French Parliament, although, similar to Galloway, his role was more honorary.

These examples demonstrate that while it is relatively uncommon, there have been instances of individuals serving in the parliaments of two different countries, sometimes in honorary or symbolic capacities.“

Ralf Dahrendorf was fairly briefly a FDP member of the Bundestag (and federal minister) and then later a Lib Dem member of the House of Lords. He did a spell in the European Commission in between. His liberal wonkish intellectual ideas that traditional marxist class conflict is just part of a broader narrative of conflict between society's powerful and oppressed are quite interesting in today's world of culture wars and "left behind" populism. Don't know that there are that many senior FDP politicos that would naturally gravitate to the Lib Dems these days. 

[mrtoad]

I'm a constituent in H&StP - so far had one canvasser at the door, who was from Andrew Feinstein's campaign. He was perhaps a bit enthusiastic and inexperienced. I live in the sort of street where you'd expect to find protest left voters. I met Andrew Feinstein ages ago, not long after he left South Africa - impressed me as a decent guy who had interesting things to say about the ANC, post-liberation politics and corruption, so I've nothing at all against the fellow although I regret his decision to stand here. But this household is two firm votes for Keir.

[mrtoad]

On the other topic, Mohammed Sarwar is a spectacular case of having a political career in two countries. The first Muslim MP here for Labour in Glasgow, twice Governor of Punjab in Pakistan and between those terms of office a Senator for a short period.

There's also, back along, William Yates who was Conservative MP for The Wrekin 1955-66 and a Liberal Party MP in the Australian House of Representatives 1975-80.

[norflondon]

Feinstein will do well to save deposit. Excluding Liverpool seats, Sir Keir may well end up with the biggest majority in Parliament in terms of %.

[stodge]

Meeting friends at Mornington Crescent underground station, we were accosted by a very pleasant lady handing out flyers for Andrew Feinstein.

I saw three others standing near the statue of Richard Cobden - I wondered if there was any significance in this.

[carlton43]

May 31, 2024 17:05:34 GMT stodge said:

Meeting friends at Mornington Crescent underground station, we were accosted by a very pleasant lady handing out flyers for Andrew Feinstein.

I saw three others standing near the statue of Richard Cobden - I wondered if there was any significance in this.

Perhaps it is that they are not very bright?