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Post by Foggy on Jun 27, 2024 1:58:11 GMT
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Post by monksfield on Jun 27, 2024 7:05:16 GMT
I’ve just got a feeling Labour might come through the middle here. It’s hard to assess who Bagge takes votes off. There will be a Reform vote and Truss is not liked by alot of people.
Labour nearly took the equivalent seat in 97 and Gillian Shepherd was an infinitely more likeable and competent politician than Truss.
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Post by froome on Jun 27, 2024 7:16:25 GMT
I’ve just got a feeling Labour might come through the middle here. It’s hard to assess who Bagge takes votes off. There will be a Reform vote and Truss is not liked by alot of people. Labour nearly took the equivalent seat in 97 and Gillian Shepherd was an infinitely more likeable and competent politician than Truss. This would be headline news if Labour did take it. And lead to much cheering across the nation. |
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Post by batman on Jun 27, 2024 7:26:27 GMT
I'd have thought Bagge takes far more votes off the Tories than off Labour. And of course there's a far greater reservoir of 2019 Tory than Labour votes. The question is does he make enough impact to affect the result; it's very hard to tell.
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 27, 2024 7:55:22 GMT
The question is will the Labour candidate here also be ‘redeployed’ to a different region’s target seats and be told to abandon this? Either giving Bagge a free ride, or is there a small school of thought there that Labour may not even mind Truss on the backbenches (or even throwing her ‘ring in the hat’ to be leader again - can’t put it past her) as it would only discredit the Tories further.
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Post by right on Jun 27, 2024 8:02:50 GMT
The question is will the Labour candidate here also be ‘redeployed’ to a different region’s target seats and be told to abandon this? Either giving Bagge a free ride, or is there a small school of thought there that Labour may not even mind Truss on the backbenches (or even throwing her ‘ring in the hat’ to be leader again - can’t put it past her) as it would only discredit the Tories further. Labour seem to have a fairly tight deal with the Lib Dems that they are adhering to, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the Greens and others. If they are getting people from outside to canvass in Thetford (I think East Anglian Lefty isn't from the constituency) then this indicates that they are not abandoning their candidate here. The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 27, 2024 8:28:41 GMT
The question is will the Labour candidate here also be ‘redeployed’ to a different region’s target seats and be told to abandon this? Either giving Bagge a free ride, or is there a small school of thought there that Labour may not even mind Truss on the backbenches (or even throwing her ‘ring in the hat’ to be leader again - can’t put it past her) as it would only discredit the Tories further. The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. One for the Clacton thread but to me hard to tell if there is a bit of 4D chess going on with not minding Farage getting into parliament as he’d further damage the Tories and try and style himself as a de-facto opposition leader (very naive if so as he will surely focus efforts on attacking Labour) or quietly conceding to help Watling keep Farage out seeing as Watling isn’t a particularly well known or controversial Tory. If anything I almost feel sorry for him having faced the embarrassment of losing to UKIP twice, then thinking he’s got a comfortable seat, now has the fight of his life on his hands and he isn’t by far the worst of the Tories… Anyway back to SWN - was this constituency on the infamous list of non target seats for Labour? Something that would end up playing into the LDs hands (and Bagge) |
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Post by right on Jun 27, 2024 8:45:51 GMT
The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. One for the Clacton thread but to me hard to tell if there is a bit of 4D chess going on with not minding Farage getting into parliament as he’d further damage the Tories and try and style himself as a de-facto opposition leader (very naive if so as he will surely focus efforts on attacking Labour) or quietly conceding to help Watling keep Farage out seeing as Watling isn’t a particularly well known or controversial Tory. If anything I almost feel sorry for him having faced the embarrassment of losing to UKIP twice, then thinking he’s got a comfortable seat, now has the fight of his life on his hands and he isn’t by far the worst of the Tories… Anyway back to SWN - was this constituency on the infamous list of non target seats for Labour? Something that would end up playing into the LDs hands (and Bagge) If LDs are also taking this seriously then Truss really is through. I don't think they are. I've got mixed views on Bagge, he'll clearly add some retro colour to Parliament and he was appallingly treated (by CCHQ not Truss) 15 years ago, but the Flashman type social media bullying from Bagge has turned me off him personally - whatever his outer charm when it suits him he turns into an utterly unpleasant upper class lawyer and if he beats Truss I suspect it will become quickly apparent. His older land owning brother seems far nicer, but that's the way with primogeniture I suppose. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 27, 2024 16:00:14 GMT
One for the Clacton thread but to me hard to tell if there is a bit of 4D chess going on with not minding Farage getting into parliament as he’d further damage the Tories and try and style himself as a de-facto opposition leader (very naive if so as he will surely focus efforts on attacking Labour) or quietly conceding to help Watling keep Farage out seeing as Watling isn’t a particularly well known or controversial Tory. If anything I almost feel sorry for him having faced the embarrassment of losing to UKIP twice, then thinking he’s got a comfortable seat, now has the fight of his life on his hands and he isn’t by far the worst of the Tories… Anyway back to SWN - was this constituency on the infamous list of non target seats for Labour? Something that would end up playing into the LDs hands (and Bagge) If LDs are also taking this seriously then Truss really is through. I don't think they are. I've got mixed views on Bagge, he'll clearly add some retro colour to Parliament and he was appallingly treated (by CCHQ not Truss) 15 years ago, but the Flashman type social media bullying from Bagge has turned me off him personally - whatever his outer charm when it suits him he turns into an utterly unpleasant upper class lawyer and if he beats Truss I suspect it will become quickly apparent. His older land owning brother seems far nicer, but that's the way with primogeniture I suppose. I still think she will hold it and Bagge will be 3rd at best. And I would prefer that result as well. |
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Post by right on Jun 27, 2024 17:13:38 GMT
If LDs are also taking this seriously then Truss really is through. I don't think they are. I've got mixed views on Bagge, he'll clearly add some retro colour to Parliament and he was appallingly treated (by CCHQ not Truss) 15 years ago, but the Flashman type social media bullying from Bagge has turned me off him personally - whatever his outer charm when it suits him he turns into an utterly unpleasant upper class lawyer and if he beats Truss I suspect it will become quickly apparent. His older land owning brother seems far nicer, but that's the way with primogeniture I suppose. I still think she will hold it and Bagge will be 3rd at best. And I would prefer that result as well. Yes, rereading my post I realised it could be read two ways. If Labour haven't crumbled to Bagge then Truss is through. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 27, 2024 18:55:55 GMT
Hard to tell the difference between the Loonies and the Conservatives in this constituency |
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Post by john07 on Jun 27, 2024 20:21:29 GMT
Hard to tell the difference between the Loonies and the Conservatives in this constituency Only this constituency? |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 27, 2024 20:57:02 GMT
Hard to tell the difference between the Loonies and the Conservatives in this constituency Only this constituency? Well, particularly this one. |
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 28, 2024 6:02:30 GMT
Leaflet count so far:- 3 x Labour 2 x Bagge 1 x LibDem 1 x Conservative All arrived by post - none hand delivered. The Conservative leaflet arrived yesterday. The first Labour leaflet arrived a few days after the election was called. On the poster front there are a few massive Liz Truss placards in fields and are getting vandalised with slogans and Hitler moustaches on a regular basis. Plenty of Bagge field placards, as well as what appears to be stickers on wheelie bins and a few houses flying Bagge flags! Bagge placards appearing on roundabouts, grass verges and street signs and lamposts. Noticed a few Labour posters tied to lamposts. Strange election with very few placards in gardens. While it feels like 1997 again there is no sea of red Labour window posters or placards in gardens - this is my perspective from the more rural parts of the constituency. While I hope Truss losses her seat I still feel she will scrape in with less than 5,000 majority with both Labour and Bagge with a similar amount of votes and the Libdems being lucky to keep their deposit. You could put a blue rosette on a monkey and people will still vote Conservative - do enough people hate Truss to make a meaningful difference? Most of the campaigning appears to be in the larger towns with the scattered rural villages being mostly ignored. Dominic Grieve is backing Bagge - www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/former-tory-minister-and-attorney-general-joins-mp-candidate-9372206/ |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 28, 2024 18:47:01 GMT
Even if she wins, a suitably close call would hopefully force her off the stage for a bit.
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 28, 2024 19:10:05 GMT
Bumper election leaflet delivery today -
1 x Conservative
1 x Communist
1 x Heritage Party
1 x Green
1 x Liberal Democrat
1 x Reform
Delivered at the same time by Mr Postman.
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 20:44:22 GMT
Bumper election leaflet delivery today - 1 x Conservative 1 x Communist 1 x Heritage Party 1 x Green 1 x Liberal Democrat 1 x Reform Delivered at the same time by Mr Postman. needs you |
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 20:50:04 GMT
Even if she wins, a suitably close call would hopefully force her off the stage for a bit. Doubt it, although she may spend more time in her constituency and take up local causes with the assiduousness that she did in 2010-12 She actually believes the free market can improve peoples' lives and is quite messianic about it Hopefully the neocon nonsense will be cut back, but with IDS likely gone and the really nice travel arrangements and sense of importance these Washington think tanks offer I fear the allure of being the "leader" of "America's friends" in the UK so be too much |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 28, 2024 21:52:53 GMT
She actually believes the free market can improve peoples' lives and is quite messianic about it Pity that she doesn't understand it. |
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