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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 28, 2024 21:52:53 GMT
She actually believes the free market can improve peoples' lives and is quite messianic about it Pity that she doesn't understand it.
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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 29, 2024 8:23:54 GMT
"Liz Truss is the UK's answer to Tony Abbott. Discuss"
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Post by john07 on Jun 29, 2024 10:48:48 GMT
"Liz Truss is the UK's answer to Tony Abbott. Discuss" More like Russ Abbott?
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 29, 2024 11:16:07 GMT
She actually believes the free market can improve peoples' lives and is quite messianic about it Pity that she doesn't understand it. Which is actually the case with quite a few zealous converts to a cause.
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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 29, 2024 16:06:14 GMT
"Liz Truss is the UK's answer to Tony Abbott. Discuss" More like Russ Abbott? She likes a Party with an atmosphere!
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 29, 2024 17:21:11 GMT
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 29, 2024 19:20:40 GMT
Pity that she doesn't understand it. Which is actually the case with quite a few zealous converts to a cause. I could be wrong here but I am not convinced that she is a genuine convert. I think she was cosplaying as Thatcher without understanding anything about Thatcher.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 29, 2024 19:59:26 GMT
Which is actually the case with quite a few zealous converts to a cause. I could be wrong here but I am not convinced that she is a genuine convert. I think she was cosplaying as Thatcher without understanding anything about Thatcher. The chap from the Debt Office made a good point. Bonds, and how they are bought and sold, are little more than a financial assertion of opinion. Truss was tilting at windmills - it is no good ranting at people who won't buy your debt. You can't do anything to them. Now, the big question is what happens when it happens again. If it happens here again, watch multiple journos and politicians deny this idea. Actually, let's see what happens next week in France. Manu has already done more damage to the bond yields that Truss and Kwarteng did, and our journos aren't interested. Presumably because it isn't on Twitter.
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Post by right on Jun 29, 2024 20:21:29 GMT
Which is actually the case with quite a few zealous converts to a cause. I could be wrong here but I am not convinced that she is a genuine convert. I think she was cosplaying as Thatcher without understanding anything about Thatcher. Mark Littlewood knew her from Oxford and seems convinced that she was a classical liberal then as a Lib Dem and the non economic stuff including the neo con foreign policy nonsense came later. Just because you don't like someone doesn't stop them sharimg a significant part of your worldview.
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Post by right on Jun 29, 2024 20:25:20 GMT
I could be wrong here but I am not convinced that she is a genuine convert. I think she was cosplaying as Thatcher without understanding anything about Thatcher. The chap from the Debt Office made a good point. Bonds, and how they are bought and sold, are little more than a financial assertion of opinion. Truss was tilting at windmills - it is no good ranting at people who won't buy your debt. You can't do anything to them. Now, the big question is what happens when it happens again. If it happens here again, watch multiple journos and politicians deny this idea. Actually, let's see what happens next week in France. Manu has already done more damage to the bond yields that Truss and Kwarteng did, and our journos aren't interested. Presumably because it isn't on Twitter. It was that energy guarantee that drained the available credit. It was either that or good and productive tax cuts and they tried both.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 29, 2024 20:35:37 GMT
The chap from the Debt Office made a good point. Bonds, and how they are bought and sold, are little more than a financial assertion of opinion. Truss was tilting at windmills - it is no good ranting at people who won't buy your debt. You can't do anything to them. Now, the big question is what happens when it happens again. If it happens here again, watch multiple journos and politicians deny this idea. Actually, let's see what happens next week in France. Manu has already done more damage to the bond yields that Truss and Kwarteng did, and our journos aren't interested. Presumably because it isn't on Twitter. It was that energy guarantee that drained the available credit. It was either that or good and productive tax cuts and they tried both. The energy thing is an interesting one. That didn't move the markets at all. But she should have known all of this. She proposed dumping a load of money into the economy at a time of high inflation, and when the BoE were unwinding QE. There were dozens of ways she could have gone about it without provoking the reaction that she did. No doubt that when it happens in France this week it will prove to be such a complex topic that it can't be pinned on one person. Or when it happens here again, there will be a Twitter account relentlessly speaking truth to power or whatever the line is.
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Post by right on Jun 29, 2024 21:05:49 GMT
Your taste in comedy was the queen's death? That's not the sign of a pleasant person
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 30, 2024 8:20:33 GMT
The question is will the Labour candidate here also be ‘redeployed’ to a different region’s target seats and be told to abandon this? Either giving Bagge a free ride, or is there a small school of thought there that Labour may not even mind Truss on the backbenches (or even throwing her ‘ring in the hat’ to be leader again - can’t put it past her) as it would only discredit the Tories further. Labour seem to have a fairly tight deal with the Lib Dems that they are adhering to, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the Greens and others. If they are getting people from outside to canvass in Thetford (I think East Anglian Lefty isn't from the constituency) then this indicates that they are not abandoning their candidate here. The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. Nobody asked me to come to Thetford - I've met the Labour candidate when he helped out with campaigns I was involved in about a decade ago, so I just emailed him as I was planning to be nearby and asked if he wanted a hand. It's purely a local campaign so far as I can tell. Also no likelihood that the candidate will be sent elsewhere, because unlike the Clacton candidate he does actually live locally.
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Jun 30, 2024 8:46:28 GMT
Labour seem to have a fairly tight deal with the Lib Dems that they are adhering to, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the Greens and others. If they are getting people from outside to canvass in Thetford (I think East Anglian Lefty isn't from the constituency) then this indicates that they are not abandoning their candidate here. The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. Nobody asked me to come to Thetford - I've met the Labour candidate when he helped out with campaigns I was involved in about a decade ago, so I just emailed him as I was planning to be nearby and asked if he wanted a hand. It's purely a local campaign so far as I can tell. Also no likelihood that the candidate will be sent elsewhere, because unlike the Clacton candidate he does actually live locally. I imagine Jermy is popular in Thetford itself, did you get a feeling for how it was looking outside the town?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 30, 2024 8:49:38 GMT
Nobody asked me to come to Thetford - I've met the Labour candidate when he helped out with campaigns I was involved in about a decade ago, so I just emailed him as I was planning to be nearby and asked if he wanted a hand. It's purely a local campaign so far as I can tell. Also no likelihood that the candidate will be sent elsewhere, because unlike the Clacton candidate he does actually live locally. I imagine Jermy is popular in Thetford itself, did you get a feeling for how it was looking outside the town? I didn't, I'm afraid - I was only there for the morning and the train line I took doesn't pass through the rest of the constituency. Jermy is very well known in the town (several people mentioned unprompted that they voted for him locally even though they were usually Conservative voters) but the rest of the constituency is obviously rather different demographically.
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 30, 2024 11:41:43 GMT
Your taste in comedy was the queen's death? That's not the sign of a pleasant person You are absolutely deluded if you compare Truss being kicked out as PM to the Queens death!
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Post by Varamyr Kahn on Jul 1, 2024 7:53:55 GMT
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Post by right on Jul 1, 2024 11:50:18 GMT
Your taste in comedy was the queen's death? That's not the sign of a pleasant person You are absolutely deluded if you compare Truss being kicked out as PM to the Queens death! It was in the headline to the article you linked to "Hello I have gathered you here today for an important presentation. This is the most important and also funniest rabbithole since the queen dying" Or did you not read the article properly before you linked it?
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Post by right on Jul 1, 2024 11:53:07 GMT
Labour seem to have a fairly tight deal with the Lib Dems that they are adhering to, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the Greens and others. If they are getting people from outside to canvass in Thetford (I think East Anglian Lefty isn't from the constituency) then this indicates that they are not abandoning their candidate here. The only big contradiction to that pattern I see is the move to get their candidate back from Clacton, but that seems to be because his candidacy is putting borderline anti-white racist views out into a wider sphere rather than a wish to help either Farage or Watling. Nobody asked me to come to Thetford - I've met the Labour candidate when he helped out with campaigns I was involved in about a decade ago, so I just emailed him as I was planning to be nearby and asked if he wanted a hand. It's purely a local campaign so far as I can tell. Also no likelihood that the candidate will be sent elsewhere, because unlike the Clacton candidate he does actually live locally. I see now. I had raised an eyebrow that Labour regionally were calling in people to that seat, but yes candidates should be expected to bite the hand off from anyone who offers help.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 2, 2024 7:48:21 GMT
I voted for a labour win here with no great confidence but I can see Truss losing more votes to Bagge then labour will and also Reform doing well here taking votes from her. The Ref candidate is a local boy with connections to the area. Am thinking something like CON 33 Lab 34 Ref 8 LD 6 Bagge 10 Grn 7
I just can't think more than one in 3 will vote Liz
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