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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 12:14:19 GMT
It matters for small parties trying to win a small number of seats. Unlike the Greens, Reform can't fully admit this as otherwise their votes will come gushing back to the Tories as in 1997, 2010, 2015 and 2019. Doesn't really answer my point, how does any party collect the data, even the big two don't have the logistics to canvass anything other than a tiny fraction of the electorate. The days of walking down a terraced street full of families that work in steel works,foundries and shipyards, and ticking every house off as Labour voters have long gone. You'd be surprised. When I joined the Young Socialists my ward-level Labour candidate contacted me to ask for help in canvassing. I met him the next evening. I was expecting 6 or 7 people but it was just me and him. We got stuck in, knocking on doors. Three weeks later we'd knocked on every door... even recanvassed some who were out the first time...and had good information about who our voters were. Accordingly we knocked them all up on polling day
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 2, 2024 12:23:26 GMT
I have been intrigued during this election at the emphasis that is placed on the ground game, and knowing where your potential voters are. You have to remember that this forum is dominated by political activists, a group of people who are for the most part totally divorced from reality. These cretins have convinced themselves that their political campaigning is of great importance, it isn't, and those countless hours of campaigning means bugger all. General elections are primarily decided by the national political mood and the profile of the party leaders.
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Jul 2, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
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Post by Raddy on Jul 2, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
Doesn't really answer my point, how does any party collect the data, even the big two don't have the logistics to canvass anything other than a tiny fraction of the electorate. The days of walking down a terraced street full of families that work in steel works,foundries and shipyards, and ticking every house off as Labour voters have long gone. You'd be surprised. When I joined the Young Socialists my ward-level Labour candidate contacted me to ask for help in canvassing. I met him the next evening. I was expecting 6 or 7 people but it was just me and him. We got stuck in, knocking on doors. Three weeks later we'd knocked on every door... even recanvassed some who were out the first time...and had good information about who our voters were. Accordingly we knocked them all up on polling day Impressive! When did you join the Young Socialists. Recently?
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 12:41:08 GMT
You'd be surprised. When I joined the Young Socialists my ward-level Labour candidate contacted me to ask for help in canvassing. I met him the next evening. I was expecting 6 or 7 people but it was just me and him. We got stuck in, knocking on doors. Three weeks later we'd knocked on every door... even recanvassed some who were out the first time...and had good information about who our voters were. Accordingly we knocked them all up on polling day Impressive! When did you join the Young Socialists. Recently? 1977 With a friend from school. Who I'm still friends with. Both of us now backing Reform
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Post by right on Jul 2, 2024 13:55:05 GMT
It matters for small parties trying to win a small number of seats. Unlike the Greens, Reform can't fully admit this as otherwise their votes will come gushing back to the Tories as in 1997, 2010, 2015 and 2019. Doesn't really answer my point, how does any party collect the data, even the big two don't have the logistics to canvass anything other than a tiny fraction of the electorate. The days of walking down a terraced street full of families that work in steel works,foundries and shipyards, and ticking every house off as Labour voters have long gone. You need lots of activist hours, either over a long time or attract lots of activists
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Post by john07 on Jul 2, 2024 14:26:55 GMT
Impressive! When did you join the Young Socialists. Recently? 1977 With a friend from school. Who I'm still friends with. Both of us now backing Reform Peak Militant era for the LPYS.
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 2, 2024 14:31:12 GMT
Impressive! When did you join the Young Socialists. Recently? 1977 With a friend from school. Who I'm still friends with. Both of us now backing Reform Fairly recently then.
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 14:33:47 GMT
1977 With a friend from school. Who I'm still friends with. Both of us now backing Reform Fairly recently then. A spring chicken
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Post by Ron Swanson on Jul 2, 2024 17:26:13 GMT
I have been intrigued during this election at the emphasis that is placed on the ground game, and knowing where your potential voters are. You have to remember that this forum is dominated by political activists, a group of people who are for the most part totally divorced from reality. These cretins have convinced themselves that their political campaigning is of great importance, it isn't, and those countless hours of campaigning means bugger all. General elections are primarily decided by the national political mood and the profile of the party leaders. In a general election I'd strongly agree, quite often candidates are swept with the tide - MPs who are particularly good/crap can buck the trend. Greg Mulholland was one MP who was particularly highly rated, he held on in 2015 but went two years later. Alec Shelbrooke and his team were known for making sure every door was knocked on periodically - for some reason I'm wanting to say every year but that'd be really tough, even with several sitting councillors across the seat. People do appreciate being canvassed I think - even if they don't have time to talk on a particular occasion. It does take some bottle I think to go and do it, for the first time - ideally you need a positive response or two and then you're away. Being told to get lost over and over can be a bit disheartening.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 2, 2024 19:53:02 GMT
"Voice Online" is reporting that Labour HQ 'ordered their candidate out of town and never come back'.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 2, 2024 20:10:42 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 2, 2024 20:55:39 GMT
This is poor rewrite of stories that appeared six days ago - and didn't originate with Jovan Owusu-Nepaul.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 2, 2024 20:58:05 GMT
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Post by monksfield on Jul 2, 2024 21:06:49 GMT
I don’t get Labour’s response here. Feel sorry for the lad.
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 21:14:38 GMT
I don’t get Labour’s response here. Feel sorry for the lad. His views are common in the Labour Party so he's been treated badly but. .those views are an embarrassment when the public learn of them
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 2, 2024 21:29:07 GMT
This is poor rewrite of stories that appeared six days ago - and didn't originate with Jovan Owusu-Nepaul. What an online election story that isn't true. Whatever next?
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Jack
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Jul 2, 2024 22:05:42 GMT
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Post by Jack on Jul 2, 2024 22:05:42 GMT
I don’t get Labour’s response here. Feel sorry for the lad. The Labour candidate in Clacton is usually just a paper one. Better to have more campaigners in seats they're likely to win.
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 2, 2024 22:15:04 GMT
I don’t get Labour’s response here. Feel sorry for the lad. The Labour candidate in Clacton is usually just a paper one. Better to have more campaigners in seats they're likely to win. ‘Would you mind helping out in the neighbouring seat’ is very different from repeated hounding and ‘never go back’ talk. It’s disgusting.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 2, 2024 22:23:59 GMT
I don’t get Labour’s response here. Feel sorry for the lad. The Labour candidate in Clacton is usually just a paper one. Better to have more campaigners in seats they're likely to win. Which, considering the constituency is well-known for containing the most deprived part of England, says a lot about the modern Labour Party.
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 3, 2024 4:59:15 GMT
It matters for small parties trying to win a small number of seats. Unlike the Greens, Reform can't fully admit this as otherwise their votes will come gushing back to the Tories as in 1997, 2010, 2015 and 2019. Doesn't really answer my point, how does any party collect the data, even the big two don't have the logistics to canvass anything other than a tiny fraction of the electorate. The days of walking down a terraced street full of families that work in steel works,foundries and shipyards, and ticking every house off as Labour voters have long gone. It does answer your point. Smaller parties like the Greens and Lib Dems canvass the vast majority of the electorate by concentrating your effort on a small number of seats. And by starting our campaigns early.
Labour and the Conservatives have too many targets/defences to do it comprehensively. But they can use sample canvassing to check where their vote is holding up relative to previous elections and where it isn't, and then redirect their activists to the seats where it looks like it matters most this time around.
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