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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 3, 2024 8:59:46 GMT
The Labour candidate in Clacton is usually just a paper one. Better to have more campaigners in seats they're likely to win. Which, considering the constituency is well-known for containing the most deprived part of England, says a lot about the modern Labour Party. No it doesn't. Jaywick has a lot of problems, but it is a very small part of the seat - perhaps 2000 voters in Jaywick proper.
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Post by Ports on Jul 3, 2024 9:11:53 GMT
The Labour candidate in Clacton is usually just a paper one. Better to have more campaigners in seats they're likely to win. Which, considering the constituency is well-known for containing the most deprived part of England, says a lot about the modern Labour Party. Of the constituencies in the highest decile for multiple indices of deprivation Labour won all but 16 and most of those they didn't were in Scotland or lost at that election - only Walsall North, Blackpool North and Cleveleys and Clacton were held by the Tories before.
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Post by timmullen on Jul 3, 2024 10:03:30 GMT
It would be interesting to know what the Tories locally are doing here - let’s not forget Watling failed to be readopted by the Association Executive and had to go to an all members ballot which I seem to recall Crick saying he’d “heard” wasn’t overwhelmingly supportive. It does beg the question as to whether, having not apparently being put off by Carswell’s drift towards UKIP, whether they wouldn’t be too displeased by having Farage as their MP.
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Post by right on Jul 3, 2024 14:04:39 GMT
Sun in Clacton giving some exposure to Watling
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Post by cogload on Jul 4, 2024 15:42:51 GMT
The Reform candidate for Great Yarmouth is in Clacton.
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Post by yernemuth on Jul 4, 2024 15:48:09 GMT
The Reform candidate for Great Yarmouth is in Clacton. That's Caister, so the voters are probably up here on holiday.
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Post by Rutlander on Jul 4, 2024 15:50:47 GMT
The Reform candidate for Great Yarmouth is in Clacton. The building behind has "Caister Lifeboat"; Caister-on-Sea is in Great Yarmouth constituency.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 5, 2024 4:49:16 GMT
They say 8th time is the charm
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Post by nw12398 on Jul 5, 2024 6:43:25 GMT
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Post by carswellfan on Jul 5, 2024 9:43:17 GMT
Well, it's perfectly scripted as a good party employee should be.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 6, 2024 11:43:07 GMT
Yep.
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Post by observer on Jul 6, 2024 11:48:52 GMT
To be fair most MPs don't do much of that either as they - wrongly - get staff to do that for them. When I contacted my MP about a casework matter last year I didn't even get an acknowledgement. I followed up with a phone call 11-12 weeks later and was told that he was three months behind with constituency correspondence
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Post by matureleft on Jul 6, 2024 12:41:20 GMT
To be fair most MPs don't do much of that either as they - wrongly - get staff to do that for them. When I contacted my MP about a casework matter last year I didn't even get an acknowledgement. I followed up with a phone call 11-12 weeks later and was told that he was three months behind with constituency correspondence If you’ve been an assiduous local councillor first, used to and enjoying casework, you are more likely to both be actively involved in it and push performance standards. If you’ve been a SpAD, policy wonk or the like then you are likely to want to delegate it heavily. Farage is neither but I’d imagine he might be wise enough to recruit decent staff and he should have some volunteers. If he isn’t careful I’d be surprised if he doesn’t collect some negative stories on this. And local stories will be picked up by opponents.
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Post by right on Jul 6, 2024 12:55:38 GMT
To be fair most MPs don't do much of that either as they - wrongly - get staff to do that for them. When I contacted my MP about a casework matter last year I didn't even get an acknowledgement. I followed up with a phone call 11-12 weeks later and was told that he was three months behind with constituency correspondence If you’ve been an assiduous local councillor first, used to and enjoying casework, you are more likely to both be actively involved in it and push performance standards. If you’ve been a SpAD, policy wonk or the like then you are likely to want to delegate it heavily. Farage is neither but I’d imagine he might be wise enough to recruit decent staff and he should have some volunteers. If he isn’t careful I’d be surprised if he doesn’t collect some negative stories on this. And local stories will be picked up by opponents. He's been dreaming of being an MP for some time and had known some very good local MPs including his predecessor but one. He's got no excuse if he gets this wrong. I think his laziness is oversold, he was after all stomping round village halls talking to thin crowds for a couple of decades, we judge him largely on his time in an institution he despised. He also showed an awareness of the need for Liberal type councillors when building up UKIP. Again, he has no excuse if he messes up his last real opportunity.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 6, 2024 12:58:59 GMT
To be fair most MPs don't do much of that either as they - wrongly - get staff to do that for them. When I contacted my MP about a casework matter last year I didn't even get an acknowledgement. I followed up with a phone call 11-12 weeks later and was told that he was three months behind with constituency correspondence If you’ve been an assiduous local councillor first, used to and enjoying casework, you are more likely to both be actively involved in it and push performance standards. If you’ve been a SpAD, policy wonk or the like then you are likely to want to delegate it heavily. Farage is neither but I’d imagine he might be wise enough to recruit decent staff and he should have some volunteers. If he isn’t careful I’d be surprised if he doesn’t collect some negative stories on this. And local stories will be picked up by opponents. it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else
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Post by right on Jul 6, 2024 13:12:37 GMT
If you’ve been an assiduous local councillor first, used to and enjoying casework, you are more likely to both be actively involved in it and push performance standards. If you’ve been a SpAD, policy wonk or the like then you are likely to want to delegate it heavily. Farage is neither but I’d imagine he might be wise enough to recruit decent staff and he should have some volunteers. If he isn’t careful I’d be surprised if he doesn’t collect some negative stories on this. And local stories will be picked up by opponents. it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else They're great for unlocking stuff and as the office deals with so many varied areas they are quite good if someone doesn't know where else to go. If you are in a real pickle in an unfamiliar bureaucracy, and you're not that good with life generally, you still know or will know someone who knows that you can write to your MP. In a rather bureaucratic and rule laden system that's not at a human scale going to your MP is a cheat code. It's valuable to know it's there particularly to those who aren't much good at navigating life. It also gives MPs a feel for the effect that the government's regulations and actions are having on their constituents, and even to those who rightly feel that the most important job is to hold the government to account it's an incredibly useful source of information. We don't want oversized county councillors as MPs, but we still need good casework operations with involved MPs.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 6, 2024 13:15:22 GMT
it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else They're great for unlocking stuff and as the office deals with so many varied areas they are quite good if someone doesn't know where else to go. If you are in a real pickle in an unfamiliar bureaucracy, and you're not that good with life generally, you still know or will know someone who knows that you can write to your MP. In a rather bureaucratic and rule laden system that's not at a human scale going to your MP is a cheat code. It's valuable to know it's there particularly to those who aren't much good at navigating life. It also gives MPs a feel for the effect that the government's regulations and actions are having on their constituents, and even to those who rightly feel that the most important job is to hold the government to account it's an incredibly useful source of information. We don't want oversized county councillors as MPs, but we still need good casework operations with involved MPs. sorry I mean the MP themselves, I think MPs offices should deal with casework ofc and I agree the MP gets things moving when no one else can
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 6, 2024 13:25:57 GMT
If you’ve been an assiduous local councillor first, used to and enjoying casework, you are more likely to both be actively involved in it and push performance standards. If you’ve been a SpAD, policy wonk or the like then you are likely to want to delegate it heavily. Farage is neither but I’d imagine he might be wise enough to recruit decent staff and he should have some volunteers. If he isn’t careful I’d be surprised if he doesn’t collect some negative stories on this. And local stories will be picked up by opponents. it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else Don't agree, although it should certainly not be the MP who is in charge of this operation, because of the time constraints, other priorities,etc. There are two good reasons why MPs should be involved in casework. One is that it keeps them grounded in the real issues their constituents faced when grappling with officialdom, etc, and that will make them better legislators, which is their primary function. The second is that the MP's name and title can sometimes resolve problems nobody else can. It works best if used sparingly, where no other approach will work. For it to work well the MP needs staff who can be trusted to deal efficiently with the issues and who can get right the times to refer things to the MP,and when not to. The MP needs to have a good oversight of what and is being done in their name, andto avoid getting stuck in the nitty-gritty.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 6, 2024 13:37:33 GMT
it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else Don't agree, although it should certainly not be the MP who is in charge of this operation, because of the time constraints, other priorities,etc. There are two good reasons why MPs should be involved in casework. One is that it keeps them grounded in the real issues their constituents faced when grappling with officialdom, etc, and that will make them better legislators, which is their primary function. The second is that the MP's name and title can sometimes resolve problems nobody else can. It works best if used sparingly, where no other approach will work. For it to work well the MP needs staff who can be trusted to deal efficiently with the issues and who can get right the times to refer things to the MP,and when not to. The MP needs to have a good oversight of what and is being done in their name, andto avoid getting stuck in the nitty-gritty. I think I've been misunderstood as youre the second person to reply to this in a similar way. Have clarified above
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Post by right on Jul 6, 2024 13:38:09 GMT
it's not a good idea to have MPs involved with casework. They don't have the time to start with. There are also systems in place to deal with casework that they won't be familiar with because they're busy with everything else Don't agree, although it should certainly not be the MP who is in charge of this operation, because of the time constraints, other priorities,etc. There are two good reasons why MPs should be involved in casework. One is that it keeps them grounded in the real issues their constituents faced when grappling with officialdom, etc, and that will make them better legislators, which is their primary function. The second is that the MP's name and title can sometimes resolve problems nobody else can. It works best if used sparingly, where no other approach will work. For it to work well the MP needs staff who can be trusted to deal efficiently with the issues and who can get right the times to refer things to the MP,and when not to. The MP needs to have a good oversight of what and is being done in their name, andto avoid getting stuck in the nitty-gritty. I'm not sure I've ever wholly agreed with a post of yours before
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