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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 29, 2024 9:44:14 GMT
Centre wants him damaged just as much. This was done probably by the Remain centrists That's perfectly possible. Lots/most of the establishment have an interest in damaging Reform. They go berserk at anyone challenging their cosy consensus The Braverman/Jenrick/Badnoch branch of the Conservative Party have significant overlap with Reform. What you're seeing is true of any coverage of any "next big thing" party. I'd say we need to protect the consensus which fights against racism and threatening behaviour framed as patriotism. .
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 9:47:40 GMT
That's perfectly possible. Lots/most of the establishment have an interest in damaging Reform. They go berserk at anyone challenging their cosy consensus The Braverman/Jenrick/Badnoch branch of the Conservative Party have significant overlap with Reform. What you're seeing is true of any coverage of any "next big thing" party. I'd say we need to protect the consensus which fights against racism and threatening behaviour framed as patriotism. . I can't agree with your definition of the 'consensus' as identity politics is fundamentally racist and in opposition to true liberalism
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Post by cathyc on Jun 29, 2024 16:20:59 GMT
Steve Bannon warned some time ago that the political and media establishment would move against Farage if he re-entered active politics The same Steve Bannon that is guilty of contempt of Congress and for mail fraud and money laundering in scamming a charity?
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 16:32:50 GMT
Steve Bannon warned some time ago that the political and media establishment would move against Farage if he re-entered active politics The same Steve Bannon that is guilty of contempt of Congress and for mail fraud and money laundering in scamming a charity? An ad hominem attack. Always employed when the user can't mount a proper argument
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 29, 2024 16:36:14 GMT
The same Steve Bannon that is guilty of contempt of Congress and for mail fraud and money laundering in scamming a charity? An ad hominem attack. Always employed when the user can't mount a proper argument You do love using the term don't you?
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 16:41:59 GMT
An ad hominem attack. Always employed when the user can't mount a proper argument You do love using the term don't you? Is it wrong in this instance? In what way?
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Post by cathyc on Jun 29, 2024 16:46:30 GMT
The same Steve Bannon that is guilty of contempt of Congress and for mail fraud and money laundering in scamming a charity? An ad hominem attack. Always employed when the user can't mount a proper argument Whereas Bannon supported his allegation with all sorts of evidence, I suppose. It's a pity the coward couldn't be bothered to give evidence to Congress and that he copped out of giving any in his trial for stealing $millions from a charity when he accepted guilt but no punishment by taking a pardon from Trump.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 16:49:37 GMT
An ad hominem attack. Always employed when the user can't mount a proper argument Whereas Bannon supported his allegation with all sorts of evidence, I suppose. It's a pity the coward couldn't be bothered to give evidence to Congress and that he copped out of giving any in his trial for stealing $millions from a charity when he accepted guilt but no punishment by taking a pardon from Trump. How does that relate to his claims that the UK establishment would try to take Farage down? Have I misunderstood you?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 29, 2024 16:51:19 GMT
if people think frustrating Farage's attempts to jin the Tories again would hold back the floodgates. He has already lit the blue touch paper an is the arsonist burning down the Tory house in these parts. If the floodgates fall won't the blue touch paper be extinguished? Asking for a friend.
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Post by cathyc on Jun 29, 2024 16:53:52 GMT
Whereas Bannon supported his allegation with all sorts of evidence, I suppose. It's a pity the coward couldn't be bothered to give evidence to Congress and that he copped out of giving any in his trial for stealing $millions from a charity when he accepted guilt but no punishment by taking a pardon from Trump. How does that relate to his claims that the UK establishment would try to take Farage down? Have I misunderstood you? Because if he did offer any evidence to support his wild claims then you don't seem to have offered it when quoting him. My bet is that he didn't - as he never does. Plus he's a bad faith actor and you chose to cite him. So please don't get snowflakey when his credibility is challenged.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 16:56:39 GMT
How does that relate to his claims that the UK establishment would try to take Farage down? Have I misunderstood you? Because if he did offer any evidence to support his wild claims then you don't seem to have offered it when quoting him. My bet is that he didn't - as he never does. Plus he's a bad faith actor and you chose to cite him. So please don't get snowflakey when his credibility is challenged. He has spoken many times about how the political establishment tries to bring down opponents. He gives many examples. Keep an open mind!
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Post by cathyc on Jun 29, 2024 17:01:44 GMT
Because if he did offer any evidence to support his wild claims then you don't seem to have offered it when quoting him. My bet is that he didn't - as he never does. Plus he's a bad faith actor and you chose to cite him. So please don't get snowflakey when his credibility is challenged. He has spoken many times about how the political establishment tries to bring down opponents. He gives many examples. Keep an open mind! Yet when it comes to giving actual evidence that can be challenged he wimps out every time and relies on his own bully pulpit, patsy questions from the likes of Alex Jones and when that fails he gets a pardon from Trump.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 17:11:58 GMT
He has spoken many times about how the political establishment tries to bring down opponents. He gives many examples. Keep an open mind! Yet when it comes to giving actual evidence that can be challenged he wimps out every time and relies on his own bully pulpit, patsy questions from the likes of Alex Jones and when that fails he gets a pardon from Trump. Again, a personal attack. I'll try again: in what way was he wrtin saying the establishment tries to bring down it's opponents? Forget the abuse: address the point
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Post by timmullen on Jun 29, 2024 20:35:10 GMT
There's a good analysis of this guy's activities by Mahyar Tousi on Tousi TV. Andre Parker, the man at the centre of it, is an actor. On his website he claims a specialism in 'rough talking '. A clip on his website shows him talking as himself...in an entirely neutral accent. Very middle class actually. Yet when C4 filmed him in Clacton he was rough talking... quite clearly in actor mode. Tousi says he is a fake, a set-up, to smear Reform. Given C4's political stance it is perfectly possible. What did C4 know ? Perhaps the police should charge the guy. That would flush the truth out On his Equity page there’s a “rough talking” piece to camera in what sounds, to my completely unsophisticated (and very deaf) view, is archetypal Essex man. FWIW he’s also credited, though I can’t find video or audio, as having voiced a Russian King in what from their titles appear to be kids cartoons.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 21:03:18 GMT
There's a good analysis of this guy's activities by Mahyar Tousi on Tousi TV. Andre Parker, the man at the centre of it, is an actor. On his website he claims a specialism in 'rough talking '. A clip on his website shows him talking as himself...in an entirely neutral accent. Very middle class actually. Yet when C4 filmed him in Clacton he was rough talking... quite clearly in actor mode. Tousi says he is a fake, a set-up, to smear Reform. Given C4's political stance it is perfectly possible. What did C4 know ? Perhaps the police should charge the guy. That would flush the truth out On his Equity page there’s a “rough talking” piece to camera in what sounds, to my completely unsophisticated (and very deaf) view, is archetypal Essex man. FWIW he’s also credited, though I can’t find video or audio, as having voiced a Russian King in what from their titles appear to be kids cartoons. Interestingly, his 'rough talking ' example on his website is exactly what he was doing in Clacton. Acting
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Post by timmullen on Jun 29, 2024 21:14:58 GMT
On his Equity page there’s a “rough talking” piece to camera in what sounds, to my completely unsophisticated (and very deaf) view, is archetypal Essex man. FWIW he’s also credited, though I can’t find video or audio, as having voiced a Russian King in what from their titles appear to be kids cartoons. Interestingly, his 'rough talking ' example on his website is exactly what he was doing in Clacton. Acting My point was in response to the original post that his natural accent could be either “posh”, “Essex man” or anything inbetween.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 21:18:14 GMT
Interestingly, his 'rough talking ' example on his website is exactly what he was doing in Clacton. Acting My point was in response to the original post that his natural accent could be either “posh”, “Essex man” or anything inbetween. His natural accent is rather posh. He is clear on his website: his 'rough yalk' is acting
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 29, 2024 21:57:14 GMT
My point was in response to the original post that his natural accent could be either “posh”, “Essex man” or anything inbetween. His natural accent is rather posh. He is clear on his website: his 'rough yalk' is acting So he joined Reform, felt awkward about his accent, and altered it to fit in, perhaps over egging the language to get approval from his peers. That's the more likely explanation.
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Post by observer on Jun 29, 2024 21:59:47 GMT
His natural accent is rather posh. He is clear on his website: his 'rough yalk' is acting So he joined Reform, felt awkward about his accent, and altered it to fit in, perhaps over egging the language to get approval from his peers. That's the more likely explanation. Laughable
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 23:30:35 GMT
If Reform get 21% nationally, (8% more than UKIP in 2015), then Farage probably wins with over half the vote; Tice probably wins over 40% in Boston & Skegness.
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