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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 20, 2024 21:04:16 GMT
Proof positive that extreme versions of PR just give you more people you don't want to vote for. What a terrible choice! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 31, 2024 8:34:56 GMT
Of the 59 parties that applied to stand in Germany, 35 have been approved to go through.
This includes two different parties using "common sense" in their name.
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Post by relique on Mar 31, 2024 11:26:46 GMT
The Euro parliament should only be a chamber where the national parliament's subcomittees on european affairs meet each other to discuss what laws and rules they would like to be applied every where.
It would make irrelevant the hypocricy of agreeing to Big decisions on a euro level to then not be applied (or in various ways) on national levels.
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 31, 2024 21:06:45 GMT
The Euro parliament should only be a chamber where the national parliament's subcomittees on european affairs meet each other to discuss what laws and rules they would like to be applied every where. It would make irrelevant the hypocricy of agreeing to Big decisions on a euro level to then not be applied (or in various ways) on national levels. You have stumbled into the wrong forum Even Pete Whitehead thinks that the UK should have European Elections in carefully defined constituencies and a laborious count before announcing which MEPs we are not sending to Brussels |
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Post by irish observer on Apr 1, 2024 20:03:22 GMT
Granted its April Fool's Day but ROI Euro Elections are broken into 3 constituencies. No elections in NI thanks to Brexit hence this has prompted 1 of the SF MPs, Michelle Gildernew to run for Europe in Midlands/North-West. A sprawling constituency it encompasses all of Connacht, Donegal, Cavan-Monaghan, Louth, Meath, Longford-Westmeath and Laois-Offaly.
5 Seats a gain of 1 since 2019.
Candidates thus far: FG: Maria Walsh (Sitting MEP), from Galway former winner of the Rose of Tralee and the first lesbian to do so. Mairead McGuinness is now a EU Commissioner for Ireland. Her replacement, Colm Markey, also from Louth has decided not to run and Nina Carbery, a jockey, is running instead as they try to hold 2 seats.
FF: Currently seatless here major screw up in 2019. Barry Cowen TD from Laois-Offaly and Senators Niall Blaney and Lisa Chambers from Donegal and Mayo respectively.
SF: Chris McManus (Sitting MEP) from Sligo town - Former Cllr and co-opted replacement for now TD Matt Carthy and Michelle Gildernew MP for Fermanagh-South Tyrone.
IND: Luke (Ming) Flanagan (Sitting MEP) from Roscommon - Long-time cannabis campaigner and pro-small farmer and renters rights etc. Michael Fitzmaurice TD Independent Ireland Candidate pro-turf cutting, anti EU regulations, pro rural Ireland etc. John Watters, former Irish Times Journalist.
Social Democrats: Rory Hearne, Housing Policy Commentator and Maynooth University lecturer
People-Before-Profit: Gino Boyle - Sligo Cllr.
Greens: Senator Pauline O'Reilly - From Galway.
Aontu: Peadar Toibin - Meath TD
Irish Freedom Party: Hermann Kelly - English guy looks a bit like like Michael Portillo.
National Party: James Reynolds - Possibly one of the Reynolds' from Leitrim.
Geography is naturally a major factor here. Much of the territory is solidly rural bar Galway City, Dundalk, Drogheda and the commuter belt of Meath and Kildare while Letterkenny, Sligo, Athlone and Mullingar have large urban populations as well as Tullamore and Portlaoise.
SF will definitely retain their 1 seat and FF will gain the extra seat. I have a sneaking feeling at this stage that rural and urban isolation and concerns over immigration will give Toibin a seat, capitalising on both the Eastern Border but also on the lack of Leinster candidates which will also benefit Cowen while limiting the SF vote. One of either Flanagan or Fitzmaurice will win a seat in a triumph of the little folk again as will be Toibin's victory. FG are assured to lose 1 seat here anyhow. If they lose a 2nd seat then it will be to SF. Early call at this point. Polling day is 7 June same day as local elections which boosts turnout for the Euros in Ireland but the Euros are much more a referendum on the Government than the locals as the clever Irish have their pencils and pr.
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 1, 2024 22:36:46 GMT
So if FF overnominated last time, why on earth are they standing three candidates this time?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 2, 2024 8:34:22 GMT
Nina Carberry is a surprise (and what a great jockey she was).
Will she be a frontrunner? Will she pull up short, or be so popular that her votes wont be counted but weighed in? Will it be a tight finish where you could throw a blanket over them (or at least Sinn Fein).
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 2, 2024 11:11:52 GMT
Nina Carberry is a surprise (and what a great jockey she was). Will she be a frontrunner? Will she pull up short, or be so popular that her votes wont be counted but weighed in? Will it be a tight finish where you could throw a blanket over them (or at least Sinn Fein). Given the electoral system it could well be organisedconfusion |
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Post by irish observer on Apr 2, 2024 23:49:44 GMT
So if FF overnominated last time, why on earth are they standing three candidates this time? Cowen won FF Convention. Blaney a close second ahead of Chambers who was the HQ candidate. The other 2 were then added on. There is however a geographical argument for each of their candidacies. Problem with 2014 was that there was no divide at all between the 2 FF candidates and in 2019 both were too rural focused. |
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Post by irish observer on Apr 2, 2024 23:51:24 GMT
Nina Carberry is a surprise (and what a great jockey she was). Will she be a frontrunner? Will she pull up short, or be so popular that her votes wont be counted but weighed in? Will it be a tight finish where you could throw a blanket over them (or at least Sinn Fein). Early days and Irish Euro elections do favour the tint of celebrity. |
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Post by obsie on Apr 3, 2024 0:11:29 GMT
Irish Freedom Party: Hermann Kelly - English guy looks a bit like like Michael Portillo. National Party: James Reynolds - Possibly one of the Reynolds' from Leitrim. Kelly is from Belfast AFAIK. Reynolds is from Longford - had the misfortune to go to school with the b*ll*x. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 3, 2024 7:25:08 GMT
Nina Carberry is a surprise (and what a great jockey she was). Will she be a frontrunner? Will she pull up short, or be so popular that her votes wont be counted but weighed in? Will it be a tight finish where you could throw a blanket over them (or at least Sinn Fein). Early days and Irish Euro elections do favour the tint of celebrity. Was there any known family involvement in FG beforehand or is this completely out of left field? |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 3, 2024 7:48:11 GMT
I am going to feel a little bit disappointed when I watch the coverage of the Euros on EuroNews and France 24 this year, knowing that because 37% of the UK electorate believed the lies they were told, I, as someone who voted in every single European election I was able to (1994 - 2019) and a fully committed supporter of the European project will be denied my right to express my views on the European Union. My heart bleeds for you |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 4, 2024 7:51:08 GMT
I am going to feel a little bit disappointed when I watch the coverage of the Euros on EuroNews and France 24 this year, knowing that because 37% of the UK electorate believed the lies they were told, I, as someone who voted in every single European election I was able to (1994 - 2019) and a fully committed supporter of the European project will be denied my right to express my views on the European Union. My heart bleeds for you As I said the other day about local government, it's often important to remind ourselves that this forum is primarily about psephological information. Whatever you think of our EU membership and the current loss of it, we are being deprived of more British electoral results and statistics this June. From a point of view of observing European politics, you're also getting data from one member state fewer than last time - and with all due respect to, say, Slovakia, I think we're one of the more interesting countries to follow. Not to mention that if you live in England* you no longer get to vote in any type of election via a preferential or proportional system. * Yes, for those in the capital there's the London Assembly... but if you think the EP's a pointless talking shop, wait till you see what goes on (or doesn't) in The Testicle! |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 4, 2024 11:46:37 GMT
I am going to feel a little bit disappointed when I watch the coverage of the Euros on EuroNews and France 24 this year, knowing that because 37% of the UK electorate believed the lies they were told, I, as someone who voted in every single European election I was able to (1994 - 2019) and a fully committed supporter of the European project will be denied my right to express my ws on the European Union. My reasons for voting for Brexit were numerous and varied but the unexpected joy of the pain it caused and still causes you exceeds them |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 4, 2024 14:04:06 GMT
I am going to feel a little bit disappointed when I watch the coverage of the Euros on EuroNews and France 24 this year, knowing that because 37% of the UK electorate believed the lies they were told, I, as someone who voted in every single European election I was able to (1994 - 2019) and a fully committed supporter of the European project will be denied my right to express my ws on the European Union. My reasons for voting for Brexit were numerous and varied but the unexpected joy of the pain it caused and still causes you exceeds them Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 4, 2024 15:36:46 GMT
I'm going to focus on Foggy 's point. We all have our focuses and preferences. I'll miss the European Parliament elections for two reasons: the unnecessary removal of the UK from one of the largest democratic elections on the planet, and the amateur psephologist side of number crunching the UK results. I voted Remain, I'd vote Rejoin, and that's not going to be hidden or put into storage, it's who I am. It's not gone without notice that this thread isn't exactly bouncing. The bias towards domestic elections is rooted in the foundations of the forum, of course. It'll perhaps spring into life closer to polling days. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 4, 2024 17:44:30 GMT
It's not gone without notice that this thread isn't exactly bouncing. The bias towards domestic elections is rooted in the foundations of the forum, of course. It'll perhaps spring into life closer to polling days. It's not even bouncing in real life. You've got dreary lead candidates who are a mix of retreads, no marks and oddballs. You've got extremely tense domestic political scenarios in several major countries (Germany, France and Spain for starters). I'm in Germany at the moment. There's barely any mention of it. I've seen one CSU poster for the election on a board in a village, and that's it. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 4, 2024 18:49:11 GMT
the unnecessary removal of the UK from one of the largest democratic elections on the planet, I would love us to be allowed to vote in the US elections. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 4, 2024 20:44:13 GMT
the unnecessary removal of the UK from one of the largest democratic elections on the planet, I would love us to be allowed to vote in the US elections. |
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