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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 27, 2024 12:30:06 GMT
Azhar Ali won Labour selection That surprises me! I think everything was pointing to Paul Waugh bring the shoo-in. |
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Post by ricmk on Jan 27, 2024 12:50:57 GMT
Waugh’s an excellent journalist so I’m personally quite pleased he didn’t get it so I can keep reading his commentary. But will be difficult for him to be seen at all neutrally now….
And of course Waugh had by far the least experience of *doing* politics on the shortlist so maybe the others were simply more ready for the selection process?
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 27, 2024 12:59:26 GMT
We need to get away from the idea political journalists are "neutral", literally all have their own biases.
And there must be a strong chance Waugh gets selected by Labour for a seat at the GE now.
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Post by borisminor on Jan 27, 2024 13:07:51 GMT
Waugh’s an excellent journalist so I’m personally quite pleased he didn’t get it so I can keep reading his commentary. But will be difficult for him to be seen at all neutrally now…. And of course Waugh had by far the least experience of *doing* politics on the shortlist so maybe the others were simply more ready for the selection process? I imagine a selection is quite a daunting thing as a candidate and if your only experience, if any, is watching a ward selection then the rigour and scrutiny you get is likely to be a leap too far. The other two candidates had experience in a selection before, and I imagine Waugh went in a bit at the deep end having to answer questions rather than ask them. When I went to a selection I was quite shocked at the depth of some of the audience questions, and the impact of local issues which can't have helped if you have lived away from the area for a good few years. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 27, 2024 13:10:15 GMT
They will not move the writ until the funeral No obvious reason why the by election would not be combined with the Local Elections on May 2nd. The obvious reason is that it would leave the constituency unrepresentated for 3 and a half months. The by-election could easily viably be held in mid-March or early April. |
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Post by graham on Jan 27, 2024 13:15:53 GMT
No obvious reason why the by election would not be combined with the Local Elections on May 2nd. The obvious reason is that it would leave the constituency unrepresentated for 3 and a half months. The by-election could easily viably be held in mid-March or early April. Such a time period is not unusual for by elections - indeed there have been examples of seats being vacant for six months or more. The fact that local elections will be taking place on May 2nd surely makes it sensible to combine the two. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 27, 2024 13:27:41 GMT
The obvious reason is that it would leave the constituency unrepresentated for 3 and a half months. The by-election could easily viably be held in mid-March or early April. Such a time period is not unusual for by elections - indeed there have been examples of seats being vacant for six months or more. The fact that local elections will be taking place on May 2nd surely makes it sensible to combine the two. The fact that seats have been vacant in the past for six months or more doesn't mean that's something we should aspire to. There is no good reason not to hold this by-election in mid-March and give Rochdalians their voice back in parliament within a more reasonable time. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 27, 2024 13:37:46 GMT
Besides, in the past they were often delayed for nakedly political reasons rather than respect.
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Post by gaitskellite on Jan 27, 2024 13:49:07 GMT
Crick saying Ali won in the first round, 87 votes to Waugh's 68 with Rehman presumably only getting a handful.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 27, 2024 16:09:36 GMT
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 27, 2024 16:48:03 GMT
Rochdale people are never knowingly overenthusiastic. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 27, 2024 16:52:56 GMT
Crick saying Ali won in the first round, 87 votes to Waugh's 68 with Rehman presumably only getting a handful. I am a bit suprised by this result given the remarkably hyper-sensitive localism of North-East Lancashire politics, to which Rochdale town culturally belongs, so Mr Ali is very much an outsider, but I guess it might be a bit of a snub to the national party, when the local CLP would have preferred a wider choice of local candidates. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 27, 2024 17:38:06 GMT
I feel a batley and spen coming on. Lol, at everyone who scoffed at me when I said this. I still think Labour will win and more comfortably so than Batley and Spen, because its a safer seat and national situation is obviously more Labour friendly, but the demographic makeup of the constituency mixed with a even more inflamed geopolitical backdrop than July 2021 gave it all the ingredients for a repeat of what we saw in Batley and Spen and now Galloway is standing. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 27, 2024 17:42:09 GMT
Rochdale people are never knowingly overenthusiastic. There's various non-Rochdale people in that picture like the MP for Gorton and that creature from Oldham |
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Post by batman on Jan 27, 2024 17:44:31 GMT
Azhar Ali won Labour selection That surprises me! I think everything was pointing to Paul Waugh bring the shoo-in. well done for being one of the few people these days who is able to spell shoo-in correctly. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 27, 2024 17:57:58 GMT
Crick saying Ali won in the first round, 87 votes to Waugh's 68 with Rehman presumably only getting a handful. I am a bit suprised by this result given the remarkably hyper-sensitive localism of North-East Lancashire politics, to which Rochdale town culturally belongs, so Mr Ali is very much an outsider, but I guess it might be a bit of a snub to the national party, when the local CLP would have preferred a wider choice of local candidates. I don't think it's a secret that part of the reason we had a shortlist of people who weren't part of rochdale politics was the CSE report. I think you're right about there being snub but I understand Mr. Ali is also well known in NW Labour politics so that might have helped |
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Post by YL on Jan 27, 2024 18:05:08 GMT
I feel a batley and spen coming on. Lol, at everyone who scoffed at me when I said this. I still think Labour will win and more comfortably so than Batley and Spen, because its a safer seat and national situation is obviously more Labour friendly, but the demographic makeup of the constituency mixed with a even more inflamed geopolitical backdrop than July 2021 gave it all the ingredients for a repeat of what we saw in Batley and Spen and now Galloway is standing. Glasgow Hillhead/Glasgow Kelvin 2005 Bethnal Green & Bow 2010 Poplar & Limehouse 2012 (b), 2015 Bradford West 2017 Manchester Gorton 2019 West Bromwich East 2021 (b) Batley & Spen 2024 (b) Rochdale 2024/25 (general) ? He gets around. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 27, 2024 18:12:56 GMT
Lordy, I didn't know that the great snake-oil salesman had announced.
I would say that the chance to have their first Muslim MP will overcome any temptation to support George G. He is just a ridiculous spoiler.
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Post by batman on Jan 27, 2024 18:13:20 GMT
I feel a batley and spen coming on. Lol, at everyone who scoffed at me when I said this. I still think Labour will win and more comfortably so than Batley and Spen, because its a safer seat and national situation is obviously more Labour friendly, but the demographic makeup of the constituency mixed with a even more inflamed geopolitical backdrop than July 2021 gave it all the ingredients for a repeat of what we saw in Batley and Spen and now Galloway is standing. there is no reason for you to lol |
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Post by owainsutton on Jan 27, 2024 18:14:55 GMT
Such a time period is not unusual for by elections - indeed there have been examples of seats being vacant for six months or more. The fact that local elections will be taking place on May 2nd surely makes it sensible to combine the two. The fact that seats have been vacant in the past for six months or more doesn't mean that's something we should aspire to. There is no good reason not to hold this by-election in mid-March and give Rochdalians their voice back in parliament within a more reasonable time. What would be the additional cost to the council? Given the perilous state of many LA budgets, it doesn't take much to become a good reason. |
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