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Post by richardh on Mar 8, 2024 16:39:06 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thursday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for George Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 8, 2024 21:42:14 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thurday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for Goerge Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think it's a common thread going round |
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Post by batman on Mar 8, 2024 22:13:53 GMT
it's fairly weird that it's gaining such currency, as it's so incredibly easily refuted
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 9, 2024 0:11:41 GMT
it's fairly weird that it's gaining such currency, as it's so incredibly easily refuted it feeds into the narrative of postal votes fraud in the Asian community |
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Post by Sg1 on Mar 9, 2024 0:14:16 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thurday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for Goerge Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think Whoever wrote the letter has no idea of how vote counts work, therefore can't be in a position to know how well George Galloway did on postal votes. Besides, if he won by a landslide on postal votes, I doubt that even the most tight lipped activists in attendance at the postal vote opening would be able to resist telling someone what they witnessed. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 9, 2024 12:08:58 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thurday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for Goerge Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think With respect, can you link to the daily Mail publishing such a letter? I would be staggered if they did and I would personally make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission if they did |
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Post by jefferson on Mar 9, 2024 13:23:01 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thurday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for Goerge Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think With respect, can you link to the daily Mail publishing such a letter? I would be staggered if they did and I would personally make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission if they did If you have a subscription or free access via employer/library (or sign up for their free trial) you can check out Thursday's editions here: www.mailplus.co.uk/newspaper |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 9, 2024 14:19:19 GMT
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Post by jefferson on Mar 9, 2024 14:38:34 GMT
Ah! That's actually the one we have access to at work, but I couldn't remember what it was called/couldn't see it on google. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 9, 2024 19:55:49 GMT
OK, I don't, but for those who do, that has to be a complaint to the PCC. On top of that the returning officer and his entire staff surely have an indefensible libel writ. Along with The Gorgeous One and his entire staff. And probably everyone with a postal vote.
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Post by right on Mar 15, 2024 14:35:28 GMT
A letter from a reader in the Daily Mail on Thurday: "Postal Votes Postal Votes in the Rochdale by-election were 13,460 which was 43 per cent of the total. This included 12,335 postal votes for Goerge Galloway. It is time the system that allows so many to be accepted for postal voting was reviewed." Some misinformation I think Whoever wrote the letter has no idea of how vote counts work, therefore can't be in a position to know how well George Galloway did on postal votes. Besides, if he won by a landslide on postal votes, I doubt that even the most tight lipped activists in attendance at the postal vote opening would be able to resist telling someone what they witnessed. If there was sampling of the postal vote opening by any of the parties then you could get a decent approximation - but I don't think any of the parties would have done that apart from the Workers Party, Labour was not having anyone near the count, the Independent campaign was not savvy enough, the Tories and Liberals were not expending the effort and the other parties (including Reform) didn't know how to go about it. Also 12,335 would be 91.64% rather than some round percentage you'd be confident with from sampling. Last time I was involved in sampling postal votes was 2010, so it may have changed since then. I haven't heard of anyone doing that since, although I've been involved in a couple of close campaigns. Wasn't there a spate of mainly Labour candidates putting up their postal votes counts on Twitter in 2010 before polling day and being warned that they were in serious breach of electoral law? |
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Post by right on Mar 15, 2024 14:36:43 GMT
it's fairly weird that it's gaining such currency, as it's so incredibly easily refuted it feeds into the narrative of postal votes fraud in the Asian community Sadly not just a narrative, even if that example seems made from whole cloth |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 15, 2024 21:33:19 GMT
Whoever wrote the letter has no idea of how vote counts work, therefore can't be in a position to know how well George Galloway did on postal votes. Besides, if he won by a landslide on postal votes, I doubt that even the most tight lipped activists in attendance at the postal vote opening would be able to resist telling someone what they witnessed. If there was sampling of the postal vote opening by any of the parties then you could get a decent approximation - but I don't think any of the parties would have done that apart from the Workers Party, Labour was not having anyone near the count, the Independent campaign was not savvy enough, the Tories and Liberals were not expending the effort and the other parties (including Reform) didn't know how to go about it. Also 12,335 would be 91.64% rather than some round percentage you'd be confident with from sampling. In the last couple of years Coventry have changed the way they check through the postal votes when they arrive at the main count so that is is just as easy to get a sample as it is with any other box. So getting the figure doesn't necessarily mean they were sampling at the postal vote opening (which would result in a much less precise estimate). I agree that the figure being quoted is almost certainly bogus. But it is possible to get a quite precise figure for the postal vote breakdowns if the count is conducted in the right way. |
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Post by right on Mar 15, 2024 23:01:40 GMT
If there was sampling of the postal vote opening by any of the parties then you could get a decent approximation - but I don't think any of the parties would have done that apart from the Workers Party, Labour was not having anyone near the count, the Independent campaign was not savvy enough, the Tories and Liberals were not expending the effort and the other parties (including Reform) didn't know how to go about it. Also 12,335 would be 91.64% rather than some round percentage you'd be confident with from sampling. In the last couple of years Coventry have changed the way they check through the postal votes when they arrive at the main count so that is is just as easy to get a sample as it is with any other box. So getting the figure doesn't necessarily mean they were sampling at the postal vote opening (which would result in a much less precise estimate). I agree that the figure being quoted is almost certainly bogus. But it is possible to get a quite precise figure for the postal vote breakdowns if the count is conducted in the right way. I do remember sampling the postal votes at a count a couple of years ago! My memory is usually better than that. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 25, 2024 11:55:09 GMT
Did we find out in the end how many spoilt votes there were? It doesn’t say on the council website.
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Post by jefferson on Mar 25, 2024 12:35:49 GMT
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Post by edgbaston on May 3, 2024 16:17:09 GMT
I think this puts to bed the debate as to whether Gorgeous George would’ve won without Labour dropping their candidate.
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 3, 2024 16:48:12 GMT
GG talking up a couple of wins is sort of sad.
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Post by The Bishop on May 3, 2024 16:50:05 GMT
His allies did notably better in the 2012 Bradford local elections, similarly a few months after that GG byelection win.
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Post by batman on May 3, 2024 20:42:10 GMT
Independent Gallowayites or near-Gallowayites seem to have inflicted plenty of damage on us in Bradford this year though. One very experienced Labour councillor in an apparently very safe (mostly White) ward only came through pretty narrowly.
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