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Post by jefferson on Mar 4, 2024 21:37:00 GMT
...but she oozes self-confidence... Self-confidence is one thing to call it. I mean, whatever floats your boat - I'm not here to judge. In the eye of the beholder and all that  |
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 4, 2024 21:46:14 GMT
Personally, I do not currently fancy her. But I can see what is fanciable and as such I can see what misogynists hold in contempt
I would have fancied her at my 25 and may well fancy her when she hits her fifty-five. Galloway will hate her regardless
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Post by batman on Mar 4, 2024 22:06:09 GMT
how on earth am I evidence of that? I know that I vote differently from the majority of Jewish voters, at least far more often than not. Because you are dyed in the wool Labour and you abandoned Labour on gounds of antisemitism You are the flipside of the coin to every Muslim that voted for Galloway in Rochdale. Another goatherder who when forced to choose between his theism and his intellectual appraisal chose his Race and his God And BTW I support your choice. I don't have a god, and I don't think of Jews as a race but an ethnic group, although that is arguable. I don't see myself as a goatherder (though I can't pretend to know what you meant by that). I don't think that I abandoned Labour just because I've been on the end of antisemitism in my party; I'm a socialist & regard antisemitism, as a form of racism, as incompatible with my political beliefs. Of course my background does help to make it even more fundamental; it would be hard to argue that it doesn't. Although I have plenty of non-Jewish friends for whom it's an issue of huge importance. |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 4, 2024 23:20:39 GMT
Because you are dyed in the wool Labour and you abandoned Labour on gounds of antisemitism You are the flipside of the coin to every Muslim that voted for Galloway in Rochdale. Another goatherder who when forced to choose between his theism and his intellectual appraisal chose his Race and his God And BTW I support your choice. I don't have a god, and I don't think of Jews as a race but an ethnic group, although that is arguable. I don't see myself as a goatherder (though I can't pretend to know what you meant by that). It's quite common popular-level atheist rhetoric to attack the Bible as being written by "bronze age goatherders", and therefore irrelevant to the modern world. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 5, 2024 0:07:20 GMT
Dat Tru, but not complete. The New Testament and Koran were written by late Iron Age goatherders.
I used to herd a goat. I do like goats.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 5, 2024 7:51:06 GMT
Galloway has just been introduced by Peter Bottomley and Alba’s Neale Hanvey. Which is odd bearing in mind Galloway and Hanley’s opposing views on Scottish Independence. George Galloway's election leaflet: "His other election address, targeting a different demographic, tells another story. It trumpets Galloway’s record of backing Brexit, opposing Scottish independence and supporting family values. A whole paragraph is dedicated to outlining his opposition to transgender rights and his conviction that “God creates everything in pairs”" Neale Hanvey: "“The unavoidable truth is that those who promote gender ideology are wilfully damaging the sex-based rights of women and LGB people. That is an easily demonstrable fact that sits at the heart of the Section 35 ruling." |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 8:41:58 GMT
Which is odd bearing in mind Galloway and Hanley’s opposing views on Scottish Independence. George Galloway's election leaflet: "His other election address, targeting a different demographic, tells another story. It trumpets Galloway’s record of backing Brexit, opposing Scottish independence and supporting family values. A whole paragraph is dedicated to outlining his opposition to transgender rights and his conviction that “God creates everything in pairs”" Neale Hanvey: "“The unavoidable truth is that those who promote gender ideology are wilfully damaging the sex-based rights of women and LGB people. That is an easily demonstrable fact that sits at the heart of the Section 35 ruling." You're not quoting the election leaflet here, you're quoting a critique of it because you're a bad faith actor. |
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Post by batman on Mar 5, 2024 8:43:28 GMT
whereas of course Galloway invariably acts in good faith doesn't he.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 5, 2024 8:47:42 GMT
George Galloway's election leaflet: "His other election address, targeting a different demographic, tells another story. It trumpets Galloway’s record of backing Brexit, opposing Scottish independence and supporting family values. A whole paragraph is dedicated to outlining his opposition to transgender rights and his conviction that “God creates everything in pairs”" Neale Hanvey: "“The unavoidable truth is that those who promote gender ideology are wilfully damaging the sex-based rights of women and LGB people. That is an easily demonstrable fact that sits at the heart of the Section 35 ruling." You're not quoting the election leaflet here, you're quoting a critique of it because you're a bad faith actor.  |
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Post by jefferson on Mar 5, 2024 8:48:21 GMT
George Galloway's election leaflet: "His other election address, targeting a different demographic, tells another story. It trumpets Galloway’s record of backing Brexit, opposing Scottish independence and supporting family values. A whole paragraph is dedicated to outlining his opposition to transgender rights and his conviction that “God creates everything in pairs”" Neale Hanvey: "“The unavoidable truth is that those who promote gender ideology are wilfully damaging the sex-based rights of women and LGB people. That is an easily demonstrable fact that sits at the heart of the Section 35 ruling." You're not quoting the election leaflet here, you're quoting a critique of it because you're a bad faith actor. I can't find the election leaflet, but this is the 'alternative' letter (from Xwitter):  |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 9:46:32 GMT
You're not quoting the election leaflet here, you're quoting a critique of it because you're a bad faith actor. I can't find the election leaflet, but this is the 'alternative' letter (from Xwitter): Yes, and Doctor B has quoted a critique of this letter as if it were the letter itself. |
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Post by hengog on Mar 5, 2024 9:49:47 GMT
He’s a clever beggar to be sure.
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Post by jefferson on Mar 5, 2024 9:51:19 GMT
I can't find the election leaflet, but this is the 'alternative' letter (from Xwitter): Yes, and Doctor B has quoted a critique of this letter as if it were the letter itself. What's the problem with paraphrasing something/referring to a secondary source if the summary is accurate and it's clear it's not a direct quote? (which in this case both requirements seem to have been met) If nothing else, compared to the other letter, the one was actually reasonably difficult to find - I've still not been able to find the glossy flyer with these messages (though I have seen repeated references to it) |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 5, 2024 9:56:20 GMT
I can't find the election leaflet, but this is the 'alternative' letter (from Xwitter): Yes, and Doctor B has quoted a critique of this letter as if it were the letter itself. The critique quoted, I notice word for word, Galloway accurately. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 10:13:55 GMT
Yes, and Doctor B has quoted a critique of this letter as if it were the letter itself. The critique quoted, I notice word for word, Galloway accurately. No, it did not. His phrase as being in favour of human rights has been repackaged he is against transgender rights. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, it is the fact you have reproduced it as a quote that makes it just plain wrong. It is an interpretation wilfully reposted as a quote because you are a bad faith actor who assumes bad faith in your opponents. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 10:16:04 GMT
Yes, and Doctor B has quoted a critique of this letter as if it were the letter itself. What's the problem with paraphrasing something/referring to a secondary source if the summary is accurate and it's clear it's not a direct quote? (which in this case both requirements seem to have been met) If nothing else, compared to the other letter, the one was actually reasonably difficult to find - I've still not been able to find the glossy flyer with these messages (though I have seen repeated references to it) It wasn't intended to be clear. The poster used quote marks and stands by the quote marks even though they are an interpretation of the letter the originators of the letter would take umbrage with. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 5, 2024 10:25:13 GMT
Well I've posted the letter now, as has another poster, so we can all see what is accurate and what isn't.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 5, 2024 10:25:27 GMT
The critique quoted, I notice word for word, Galloway accurately. No, it did not. His phrase as being in favour of human rights has been repackaged he is against transgender rights. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, it is the fact you have reproduced it as a quote that makes it just plain wrong. It is an interpretation wilfully reposted as a quote because you are a bad faith actor who assumes bad faith in your opponents. What do you understand by the phrase "A man cannot become a woman just by declaring as such"? Stop accusing people of being bad faith actors just because they demonstrate the skills of basic literacy. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 10:31:39 GMT
No, it did not. His phrase as being in favour of human rights has been repackaged he is against transgender rights. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, it is the fact you have reproduced it as a quote that makes it just plain wrong. It is an interpretation wilfully reposted as a quote because you are a bad faith actor who assumes bad faith in your opponents. What do you understand by the phrase "A man cannot become a woman just by declaring as such"? Stop accusing people of being bad faith actors just because they demonstrate the skills of basic literacy. Unless the campaign has come out and said "we are against transgender rights" than what has been said is not that. A positive statement has been turned into a negative while maintaining quote marks. This is an inaccurate rendering. If I were to reproduce a critique of Marie Stopes and accuse them of being mass slaughterers of infants on the scale King Herod could only dream of, that would be an interpretation of their activites. They would call it all manner of things to the contrary and not appreciate the insult. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 5, 2024 10:34:43 GMT
whereas of course Galloway invariably acts in good faith doesn't he. Undoubtedly not. His attempt to defenestrate one time ally Piers Corbyn's opposition to lockdown was followed up by him very slowly adopting most of Corbyn's views as his own, for a start. Which makes it all the more amazing that one would attribute criticism as a quote when there are so many indisputable ways to criticise the man. |
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