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Post by carlton43 on Feb 13, 2024 1:36:35 GMT
Interesting....Labour have a couple of Muslim parliamentary candidates (Gillingham, Chingford) , both women, but that's it. The many Muslim local councillors or candidates suggest that Labour can't deal with Palestinian issues unless they agree with Starmer's views. Sheffield Central And there are many more than that. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 13, 2024 6:51:47 GMT
The Mail claim to have the full recording.
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Post by matureleft on Feb 13, 2024 7:09:10 GMT
The Mail claim to have the full recording. Which I'd imagine they'll release in portions of a number of days... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 13, 2024 7:38:45 GMT
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Post by phil156 on Feb 13, 2024 7:43:12 GMT
Question - If the now expelled Labour candidate win is it "Ind gain from Lab" or Lab hold?
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2024 7:49:48 GMT
Disowned Lab hold
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Feb 13, 2024 8:08:11 GMT
A cynic might say that Labour voters will vote for George Galloway, and that Conservative and Lib Dem voters will vote Labour in order to stop Galloway from winning. A pragmatist might say that Labour voters will vote Labour anyway because they have no reason to switch to another party. The sensible vote in this by-election is for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party. |
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Post by aargauer on Feb 13, 2024 8:24:54 GMT
Do northern Labour Pakistani candidates compete to be the most antisemitic?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 13, 2024 8:32:38 GMT
Do northern Labour Pakistani candidates compete to be the most antisemitic? They clearly do their utmost to curry favour with the beards at the local mosques. If the beards are vicious antisemites then the message will likely be tailored accordingly. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Feb 13, 2024 8:35:10 GMT
Question - If the now expelled Labour candidate win is it "Ind gain from Lab" or Lab hold? The ballot paper says Labour. It'll be a Labour hold. |
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Post by YL on Feb 13, 2024 8:36:10 GMT
Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath in 2019 is listed on Wikipedia as an SNP gain from Labour.
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Post by Clark on Feb 13, 2024 8:43:56 GMT
As I said when the Gaza conflict re-ignited several months ago now, this was going to be terrible news for Labour. It's forced Starmer into taking a stance on the issue - either stance was going to cause conflict and so it's turned out. Something he wouldn't of needed to do if the area had remained relatively calm. It'll certainly hurt him electorally but perhaps not fatally when it comes to becoming the next PM...
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 13, 2024 8:47:59 GMT
Question - If the now expelled Labour candidate win is it "Ind gain from Lab" or Lab hold? Officially, surely a Labour hold? He's the Labour candidate, and appears on the ballot as such. Whether he's suspended immediately upon being elected is immaterial to that I'd have thought. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 13, 2024 9:11:56 GMT
By the way, none of you knew what resile meant till Tony Blair didn't. Neither did I I did. |
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2024 9:16:26 GMT
He's already been suspended from the Party so automatically if elected does not receive the Labour Whip.
I don't regret what I wrote because I think it was the right conclusion according to the evidence that was then available. It became clear afterwards that Labour had no alternative other than to withdraw its support from Ali. It may not be automatically antisemitic to call Starmer a war criminal, but it's utter bilge & bears no relation to the actual situation whatsoever. The attitude of the Leader of the Opposition has no bearing on how many civilians, or combattants for that matter, are killed. It may be that clearly antisemitic content will subsequently be released from what he said. Whatever is the case, he clearly cannot serve as a Labour MP. It's worth remembering that when the lovely Angus McNeil tried to have Tony Blair impeached not a single Labour MP voted with him; they knew that it was incompatible with being a Labour MP. And Blair was a serving Prime Minister, not the Leader of the Opposition, at the time.
The chances of Galloway being elected must surely have risen with all of this. It may be that conventional voters switch to other parties, like the Lib Dems, the Tories or even Danczuk though I still don't see the latter doing that well. I don't believe the person who said the Lib Dems were leafletting for Galloway. I may think the Lib Dems a cynical & essentially unprincipled party, but I don't see them as that disgusting.
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Post by froome on Feb 13, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
What are the odds now on this being a Conservative gain? I can see that it could easily turn out to split many ways, with Ali, Galloway, Danschuk and both the Tories and Lib Dems all in with an outside chance, though realistically I would think only Ali, Galloway and the Tories could win.
If it was a Conservative gain, would Rishi be tempted to suddenly call the general election?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 13, 2024 9:28:38 GMT
He's already been suspended from the Party so automatically if elected does not receive the Labour Whip. I don't regret what I wrote because I think it was the right conclusion according to the evidence that was then available. It became clear afterwards that Labour had no alternative other than to withdraw its support from Ali. It may not be automatically antisemitic to call Starmer a war criminal, but it's utter bilge & bears no relation to the actual situation whatsoever. The attitude of the Leader of the Opposition has no bearing on how many civilians, or combattants for that matter, are killed. It may be that clearly antisemitic content will subsequently be released from what he said. Whatever is the case, he clearly cannot serve as a Labour MP. It's worth remembering that when the lovely Angus McNeil tried to have Tony Blair impeached not a single Labour MP voted with him; they knew that it was incompatible with being a Labour MP. And Blair was a serving Prime Minister, not the Leader of the Opposition, at the time. The chances of Galloway being elected must surely have risen with all of this. It may be that conventional voters switch to other parties, like the Lib Dems, the Tories or even Danczuk though I still don't see the latter doing that well. I don't believe the person who said the Lib Dems were leafletting for Galloway. I may think the Lib Dems a cynical & essentially unprincipled party, but I don't see them as that disgusting. Also, the local Lib Dems are (since the collapse of the Muslim and WWC vote for them) overwhelmingly white, middle-class people who draw most of the vote they get from a similar demographic. They wouldn't be seen dead supporting George Galloway, it was a ridiculous claim. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 13, 2024 9:31:22 GMT
What are the odds now on this being a Conservative gain? I can see that it could easily turn out to split many ways, with Ali, Galloway, Danschuk and both the Tories and Lib Dems all in with an outside chance, though realistically I would think only Ali, Galloway and the Tories could win. If it was a Conservative gain, would Rishi be tempted to suddenly call the general election? Very low chance. As for calling an election the back of a freak result in bizarre byelection circumstances a week after they look like losing two seats in Wellingborough and Kingswood, I see no temptation at all. If he did, Labour would see the loss of Rochdale as a price worth paying. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 13, 2024 9:48:42 GMT
Also he's from outside the constituency. Okay it's only as far as Heywood & Middleton but given the party's traditional position of demonising rival candidates (*) when the boot is on the other foot... (* And elevating this to an especially Lib Dem art form before someone lunges towards the keyboard to produce examples of other parties doing this out of necessity.) |
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Post by threecrowns on Feb 13, 2024 9:50:04 GMT
It's pretty funny that in Rochdale of all places nobody is considering the remotest chance of a Lib Dem win.
I wonder how much postal voting has taken place. There will still be a fair few who will vote for Ali who won't a) know or b) care about his comments.
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