J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 7, 2023 19:37:29 GMT
Surely the sensible thing to do would be to change both the ward and the parish boundaries? That means two different processes, under different remits. How does a parish boundary get altered? Genuine question! Is it a statutory-instrument thing? (Or do the LGBCE have any powers to do this as part of a principal authority review?) Parish boundaries are entirly the power of the principal authority (district in two-tier areas). The local goverment commission has no power to change external parish boundaries, or change parish warding, except where a parish/parish ward is split by the new warding arrangement of the district/county review. The commission also has no power to change electoral boundaries of entities that they are not reviewing, so they cannot tweek county divisions to match new district wards, or tweek district wards to match new county divisions. And, or course, Parliamentary boundaries are sacrosanct and purely the domain of the Parliamentary commissions and are territoria verbotem to the local commissions. After a principal authority does a parish review, they are allowed to request the Secretary of State to modify existing district and county boundaries to match adjusted parish boundaries, and they are normally done so if they are sufficiently minor. It is prefered that councils look forward and redraw district wards/divisions in advance of adjusting parish boundaries to match to tidy them up (eg Eastfield in SBC), but conversely the commission rules and custom often /prevent/ councils doing that in the name of "it will create too small a polling district!", so forcing the post-review parish adjustment, and then the post-adjustment SofS ward adjustment. All in all, the whole process needs overhauling. |
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Post by carolus on Dec 7, 2023 19:45:30 GMT
Of course in Wales they're all under the control of the LDBCW so these changes can all happen as one - and they don't seem shy about doing so.
I don't know what the situation is in Scotland, but all the community councils seem to be non-party contested so who cares? I haven't bothered looking.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 7, 2023 20:05:08 GMT
"It's annoying that this sort of stuff can't be done as part of the normal local boundary review process. We had minor tidying up turned down in 2019 because it would result in a mismatch with a county division boundary leaving one house between two boundaries and "we don't have powers to adjust the division boundary because this is a ward review". So it's still stuck there. At least now we're a unitary we can tidy it up when we have the unitary review. Couldn't you just have demolished the house? Or would that have created a zero-voter parish ward? The house is newly built, and with a new plot created by splitting the garden.  link |
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Post by La Fontaine on Dec 7, 2023 20:57:11 GMT
If I remember correctly, a parish boundary can be changed as part of a ward review. I tried to do just that during Gateshead's last review, but nodody else was interested.
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jamie
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Post by jamie on Dec 7, 2023 22:13:10 GMT
If I remember correctly, a parish boundary can be changed as part of a ward review. I tried to do just that during Gateshead's last review, but nodody else was interested. Out of interest, what sort of change were you proposing? (Genuinely interested as a local). |
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Post by minionofmidas on Dec 7, 2023 22:31:19 GMT
The Stalham one looks like it used to follow a watercourse, but drainage alterations have changed that. The Cromer one contains an allotment and a cemetery, leading me to suspect that it's about making sure the parish council's assets are located within the parish. No idea about the Briston one - probably just somebody who owned the house in the near-exclave wanting to keep all his possessions within a single parish. Or perhaps rather the property that creates the near-exclave. |
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Post by La Fontaine on Dec 7, 2023 23:05:27 GMT
If I remember correctly, a parish boundary can be changed as part of a ward review. I tried to do just that during Gateshead's last review, but nodody else was interested. Out of interest, what sort of change were you proposing? (Genuinely interested as a local). We only have one parish: Lamesley. It has ridiculous boundaries. In particular, I wanted to create an "Angel" ward, which meant adding a small part of this parish, the Team Colliery area, containing the Angel of the North, to neighbouring parts of Wrekenton/Harlow Green. This would mean a small adjustment to the parish boundary, which should have been done decades ago. But nobody can be bothered, inculding the parish council. |
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Post by olympian95 on Dec 7, 2023 23:44:14 GMT
26.6% turnout in Hayes, Bromley
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 7, 2023 23:55:51 GMT
NORTH NORFOLK Briston
FLETCHER Andrew (Liberal Democrat) 342
STENTON Jolanda (Local Conservative) 274
HARRIS Phil (Labour and Co-Operative Party) ?
WHITEHEAD James Patrick (Green Party) ?
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:21:55 GMT
not seeing anything results-wise on twitter..anyone have other sources?
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Post by carolus on Dec 8, 2023 0:28:34 GMT
LD hold in St Albans
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Post by carolus on Dec 8, 2023 0:30:41 GMT
LD gain Harpenden Rural
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:30:47 GMT
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Post by andrewteale on Dec 8, 2023 0:32:22 GMT
BROMLEY, Hayes and Coney Hall - C hold
C 1541 Lab 962 LD 526 Grn 183
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:33:26 GMT
Sta Albans:
LD 55.9%
Con 33.8%
Grn 5.5%
Lab 4.8%
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Post by Rutlander on Dec 8, 2023 0:34:03 GMT
Hayes and Coney Hall Ward:
Sarah Louise Chant (Green Party) 183 votes
Josh Coldspring-White (Local Conservatives) 1,541 votes ELECTED
Tudor Griffiths (Liberal Democrats) 526 votes
Susan Margaret Moore (Labour Party) 962 votes
The turnout at the by-election was 26.69%
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 8, 2023 0:34:49 GMT
NORTH NORFOLK Briston FLETCHER Andrew (Liberal Democrat) 342 STENTON Jolanda (Local Conservative) 274 HARRIS Phil (Labour and Co-Operative Party) ? WHITEHEAD James Patrick (Green Party) ? I am assuming that is a Lib Dem hold but of course we don't actually know what the Lab and Green "?s" are- I guess not a lot, but you never know! |
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:34:49 GMT
Harpenden rural:
LD 58.3%
Con 30.3%
Lab 6.6%
Grn 4.7%
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:37:41 GMT
Hayes and Coney Hall Ward: Sarah Louise Chant (Green Party) 183 votes Josh Coldspring-White (Local Conservatives) 1,541 votes ELECTED Tudor Griffiths (Liberal Democrats) 526 votes Susan Margaret Moore (Labour Party) 962 votes The turnout at the by-election was 26.69% Con: 48% lab 30% LD 16.4% Grn 5.7%
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 8, 2023 0:38:46 GMT
Like waiting for buses...no sign for ages then 3 come all at once  |
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