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Post by michaelarden on Dec 1, 2023 0:05:39 GMT
Huge Lib Dem win in North Yorkshire apparently
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Post by dizz on Dec 1, 2023 0:08:35 GMT
I think that one would be Plaid??? |
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Post by samdwebber on Dec 1, 2023 0:11:53 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 1, 2023 0:14:17 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe
SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764
ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460
LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306
TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250
HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35
EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20
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Post by phil156 on Dec 1, 2023 0:35:36 GMT
Durham Lab hold but I have not seen the figures yet
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Post by michaelarden on Dec 1, 2023 0:41:16 GMT
Greens have apparently held in Camden.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 1, 2023 0:45:37 GMT
CAMDEN Highgate
RUSSELL, Lorna Jane (Green) 1,513
LEMAN, Tricia (Labour) 740
FEYESA, Wakjira Fekadu (Conservatives) 240
MONK, Farrell (Liberal Democrat) 84
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Post by greenman on Dec 1, 2023 1:04:51 GMT
Fascinating that Labour obtained 27.4% in North Plaistow last week and 28.7% tonight and that the Conservative and LD votes were very similar too. Is that a coincidence or the start of a pattern?
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Post by michaelarden on Dec 1, 2023 1:11:20 GMT
Fascinating that Labour obtained 27.4% in North Plaistow last week and 28.7% tonight and that the Conservative and LD votes were very similar too. Is that a coincidence or the start of a pattern? Repeat after me - correlation is not causation... And sample size of two is anecdote. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 1, 2023 1:13:41 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe I make that:
SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 42%
ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25%
LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 17%
TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 14%
HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 2%
EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1%
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 1, 2023 1:26:16 GMT
CAMDEN Highgate RUSSELL, Lorna Jane (Green) 1,513 LEMAN, Tricia (Labour) 740 FEYESA, Wakjira Fekadu (Conservatives) 240 MONK, Farrell (Liberal Democrat) 84 I make that
Green 58.7% Lab 28.7% Con 9.3% LD 3.3%
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 1, 2023 1:27:28 GMT
2 results in & I didnt tip either winner  |
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Post by kevinf on Dec 1, 2023 1:36:16 GMT
2 results in & I didnt tip either winner I’ve liked it, as in ‘bad luck’. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 1, 2023 1:44:12 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe I make that:
SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 42%
ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25%
LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 17%
TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 14%
HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 2%
EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1%
How many other Lib Dem gains from Green Party have there been? |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 1, 2023 1:50:56 GMT
Good stuff as usual. The mention of James Herriot in the preview for Sowerby and Topcliffe is apt. My sources there tell me the Lib Dems have been going for the ward big time including endorsement from James Herriot successor - Julian one of the current Yorkshire Vets. They have also been employing their very latest bar chart technology arguing that as they have outpolled Labour and the Greens in various other North Yorkshire by-elections (some the best part of 100 miles away) that they are best placed to beat the Conservatives in a ward they couldn't find a candidate to stand in 18 months ago. Sadly I expect it to be successful and a policy and ideology free campaign will win based on celebrity endorsement and lies. C'est la vie. If the Lib Dems claim to be best placed to beat the Tories, and the result of the election is that the Lib Dems comfortably win and the Tory is second, with Green Party and Labour well behind, can you explain how that claim is a lie, as opposed to an entirely accurate statement borne out by subsequent events? |
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 1, 2023 1:51:47 GMT
what? Ever?
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 1, 2023 1:53:27 GMT
Maybe? I can't remember one, but I don't follow these things as well as some others on here. |
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Post by michaelarden on Dec 1, 2023 2:18:40 GMT
Good stuff as usual. The mention of James Herriot in the preview for Sowerby and Topcliffe is apt. My sources there tell me the Lib Dems have been going for the ward big time including endorsement from James Herriot successor - Julian one of the current Yorkshire Vets. They have also been employing their very latest bar chart technology arguing that as they have outpolled Labour and the Greens in various other North Yorkshire by-elections (some the best part of 100 miles away) that they are best placed to beat the Conservatives in a ward they couldn't find a candidate to stand in 18 months ago. Sadly I expect it to be successful and a policy and ideology free campaign will win based on celebrity endorsement and lies. C'est la vie. If the Lib Dems claim to be best placed to beat the Tories, and the result of the election is that the Lib Dems comfortably win and the Tory is second, with Green Party and Labour well behind, can you explain how that claim is a lie, as opposed to an entirely accurate statement borne out by subsequent events? The leaflets I've seen showed bar charts based on election results in completely different wards. It's the equivalent of Labour targeting a Lib Dem seat in a general election - say Kingston and Surbiton - and saying because in 2019 they won 20x the seats and 5x the votes they were best placed to win in a seat they have never won. Of course if the Greens were any good they would have exposed this sort of tactics - but they appear to be useless in the face of a decent non-Tory campaign (Camden excepted assuming Labour actually bothered). The Lib Dems do need to start saying what they are for; not being Tory isn't sufficient, because when in the next few months the Tories are out of office at Westminster their platform will come under scrutiny and being patsies for a dull centrist Starmer government won't do the any good. The Guardian letter yesterday made the point better than I could. |
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Post by michaelarden on Dec 1, 2023 2:29:05 GMT
I make that:
SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 42%
ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25%
LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 17%
TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 14%
HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 2%
EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1%
How many other Lib Dem gains from Green Party have there been? There was one in Richmond where a Green councillor elected in their pact stood down and they won the seat easily with Green competition - 2021 I think? I suspect there are a few ore in places the Lib Dems used to be strong, collapsed during the coalition and afterwards have resuscitated - Lewes perhaps? Norwich, Cornwall, Somerset parts of the London commuter belt? I suspect where anti coalition Lib Dems went to the Greens its a bit less likely that the Lib Dems are coming back than in places where neither were particularly strong and they are fighting over the none of the above vote - like in Thirsk. |
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 1, 2023 2:40:30 GMT
If the Lib Dems claim to be best placed to beat the Tories, and the result of the election is that the Lib Dems comfortably win and the Tory is second, with Green Party and Labour well behind, can you explain how that claim is a lie, as opposed to an entirely accurate statement borne out by subsequent events? The leaflets I've seen showed bar charts based on election results in completely different wards. It's the equivalent of Labour targeting a Lib Dem seat in a general election - say Kingston and Surbiton - and saying because in 2019 they won 20x the seats and 5x the votes they were best placed to win in a seat they have never won. Of course if the Greens were any good they would have exposed this sort of tactics - but they appear to be useless in the face of a decent non-Tory campaign (Camden excepted assuming Labour actually bothered). The Lib Dems do need to start saying what they are for; not being Tory isn't sufficient, because when in the next few months the Tories are out of office at Westminster their platform will come under scrutiny and being patsies for a dull centrist Starmer government won't do the any good. The Guardian letter yesterday made the point better than I could. Apart from the Kingston example being obviously ridiculous, the key point about claims of being able to win is that it's believable. Good luck trying to persuade anyone in Kingston that a Labour win is believable. In North Yorks, by contrast, the Lib Dem claim was obviously believed by a substantial section of voters. There is also all the difference in the world between a general election and local government by-election. I get the impression you are equating the two. |
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