Local Council by-elections 30th November 2023

[Deleted]

If you're planning to campaign in Highgate ward, there's an excellent pub next to the Heath called the Bull & Last, a bit expensive but some nice tipples in there. It's independent so well worth it. There's also the Southampton Arms on Highgate Road not far away.

[batman]

Highgate is important to me as my parents were married in Highgate Synagogue. Which has since moved round the corner.

[John Chanin]

I'm a former resident of Highgate ward, and my local was the Dartmouth Arms. Which like half the ward is not what people would call 'Highgate' at all.

[olympian95]

Nov 18, 2023 7:51:05 GMT @weld said:

If you're planning to campaign in Highgate ward, there's an excellent pub next to the Heath called the Bull & Last, a bit expensive but some nice tipples in there. It's independent so well worth it. There's also the Southampton Arms on Highgate Road not far away.

This was one of my favourite boozers when I lived in North London. The Harringay Arms (several incarnations ago) was also a cracker.

[greenman]

Beyond local boozers the question becomes will the voters who split their support between Green and Labour in 2022 elect former Labour councillor Lorna Russell or give Labour a clean sweep in Highgate. Labour have been on a high in London, with the current Labour Mayor supporting the call for a ceasefire, but 56.6% of the voters supported the "Independent" muslim candidates in a ward that only has 33% muslims.

As this article shows Ms Naqvi quit the Newham Labour executive, along with her husband, after 22 years in the Party and then received 46.6% of the vote in the North Plaistow by-election in the middle of November: www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/keir-starmer-faces-further-backlash-over-his-pro-israel-gaza-stance-as-labour-vote-collapses-in-london-council-by-election-to-hand-seat-to-pro-palestinian-independent-who-quit-party-over-his-refusal-to-back-a-ceasefire/ar-AA1ksAXx

So my question remains will voters in Highgate also opt to do the same thing to Labour by electing Lorna Russell. What's the size of the Jewish vote versus the Muslim vote in Highgate?

[East Anglian Lefty]

Nov 24, 2023 16:14:12 GMT greenman said:

Beyond local boozers the question becomes will the voters who split their support between Green and Labour in 2022 elect former Labour councillor Lorna Russell or give Labour a clean sweep in Highgate. Labour have been on a high in London, with the current Labour Mayor supporting the call for a ceasefire, but 56.6% of the voters supported the "Independent" muslim candidates in a ward that only has 33% muslims.

As this article shows Ms Naqvi quit the Newham Labour executive, along with her husband, after 22 years in the Party and then received 46.6% of the vote in the North Plaistow by-election in the middle of November: www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/keir-starmer-faces-further-backlash-over-his-pro-israel-gaza-stance-as-labour-vote-collapses-in-london-council-by-election-to-hand-seat-to-pro-palestinian-independent-who-quit-party-over-his-refusal-to-back-a-ceasefire/ar-AA1ksAXx

So my question remains will voters in Highgate also opt to do the same thing to Labour by electing Lorna Russell. What's the size of the Jewish vote versus the Muslim vote in Highgate?

In point of fact, about 43% of the population of Plaistow North is Muslim.

Highgate is a very different ward. Both the Jewish and Muslim shares of the vote are comfortably under 10% and in many other respects its demographics are notably dissimilar from those of Plaistow.

[greenman]

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

[finsobruce]

Nov 24, 2023 18:19:50 GMT greenman said:

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

When was St Kilburn canonised and what is he (she?) the patron saint of?

[froome]

Nov 24, 2023 18:46:51 GMT finsobruce said:

Nov 24, 2023 18:19:50 GMT greenman said:

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

When was St Kilburn canonised and what is he (she?) the patron saint of?

Patron saint of high roads.

[Deleted]

Given that it's going into the new Hampstead & Highgate seat, it'll be interesting to see how well the LDs do in Highgate. I believe the LDs will be the long-term challengers in that seat (looking at local elections) and may seek to turn it into the next Hornsey & Wood Green. 

[carlton43]

Nov 24, 2023 18:46:51 GMT finsobruce said:

Nov 24, 2023 18:19:50 GMT greenman said:

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

When was St Kilburn canonised and what is he (she?) the patron saint of?

Fake saints, forged paintings and crypto currencies.

[John Chanin]

Nov 24, 2023 18:19:50 GMT greenman said:

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

Highgate ward is currently in Holborn & St Pancras.  It goes without saying that it is moved to Hampstead & Highgate in the new constituencies.  The clue is in the seat's name.

[michaelarden]

Nov 24, 2023 19:40:51 GMT @weld said:

Given that it's going into the new Hampstead & Highgate seat, it'll be interesting to see how well the LDs do in Highgate. I believe the LDs will be the long-term challengers in that seat (looking at local elections) and may seek to turn it into the next Hornsey & Wood Green. 

You mean a seat with a 20,000 Labour majority?

[batman]

The LDs have never been a factor in Highgate ward (Camden as opposed to the Haringey one) and in a Green v Labour contest they ought to get squeezed once again. I remember when Highgate ward in Camden was a Labour-Conservative marginal, but that's a long time ago now.

[greenman]

Thanks for all these responses so I assume that the order will be Labour or Green first and second, then Conservative and then LD.

[Adam in Stroud]

Nov 24, 2023 20:51:42 GMT carlton43 said:

Nov 24, 2023 18:46:51 GMT finsobruce said:

When was St Kilburn canonised and what is he (she?) the patron saint of?

Fake saints, forged paintings and crypto currencies.

Good try, but I think all of those are a bit upmarket for Kilburn.

I'd go for patron saint of cut-and-shut cars.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2023 21:14:56 GMT michaelarden said:

Nov 24, 2023 19:40:51 GMT @weld said:

Given that it's going into the new Hampstead & Highgate seat, it'll be interesting to see how well the LDs do in Highgate. I believe the LDs will be the long-term challengers in that seat (looking at local elections) and may seek to turn it into the next Hornsey & Wood Green. 

You mean a seat with a 20,000 Labour majority?

Hornsey & Wood Green had a 20,000 Labour majority in 1997.

[greenman]

I now understand that Lorna Russell was a Labour councillor in Fortune Green for seven years and a Deputy Mayor of Camden, so assume the Labour party will do everything to try and stop her being elected as a Green.

In Sowerby and Topcliffe Dave Elders is a former Conservative councillor from Hambleton District trying to retake the seat.

[minionofmidas]

Nov 24, 2023 18:46:51 GMT finsobruce said:

Nov 24, 2023 18:19:50 GMT greenman said:

Thanks East Anglian lefty. Is Highgate in Holburn & St Pancreas or Hampstead and St Kilburn or maybe in the new proposed seat of Hampstead and Highgate for the next UK election? One MP would be pro-Palestinian Tulip Siddiq and the other Sir Keir Starmer.

When was St Kilburn canonised and what is he (she?) the patron saint of?

She was the wife of St Kilda.

[michaelarden]

Nov 25, 2023 7:35:22 GMT @weld said:

Nov 24, 2023 21:14:56 GMT michaelarden said:

You mean a seat with a 20,000 Labour majority?

Hornsey & Wood Green had a 20,000 Labour majority in 1997.

And a 19,200 one in 2019.