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Post by jimboo2017 on Feb 17, 2024 11:23:17 GMT
But I was not told that, was told something else, can't remember what Don't start a sentence/paragraph with 'but' as it is a conjunction in the manner of an 'and' : Also, don't end one with 'what', but do use appropriate punctuation, or at least some punctuation. What is a prounoun? |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 17, 2024 11:44:31 GMT
Don't start a sentence/paragraph with 'but' as it is a conjunction in the manner of an 'and' : Also, don't end one with 'what', but do use appropriate punctuation, or at least some punctuation. What is a prounoun? It is a 'former noun' that has given up the day job and embraced professional status as a 'proud' paid noun, often helping a pretentious idiot to pretend they have another gender. |
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 12:07:08 GMT
Re - Kingswood.Whilst I would hope that it was not the case, would the sexual orientation of Labour's candidate have reduced the party's vote somewhat? I recall how it effectively destroyed Peter Tatchell at Bermondsey, and whilst society has changed over the intervening years I suspect that quite a few voters would still feel uncomfortable when a bloke refers to his 'husband.'
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 17, 2024 12:22:20 GMT
I think you may be able to calibrate whether Labour selecting an LGBT candidate is likely to harm its chances by looking at Batley and Spen, Wakefield, West Lancashire, and Selby and Ainsty.
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 12:26:26 GMT
I think you may be able to calibrate whether Labour selecting an LGBT candidate is likely to harm its chances by looking at Batley and Spen, Wakefield, West Lancashire, and Selby and Ainsty. Ok - though this candidate seemed particularly open about this. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 17, 2024 12:40:04 GMT
Why? I was only there for part of one night and then a second night at the very start of my life and have never been back in 80-years. What sort of deep effect do you think two days would have on a newborn? You know that I was not commenting on the "Eh Up" of course. Yes, of course you did. But it is the game that is played in British discourse in the lower divisions! I have always understood that the Yorkshire greeting is “‘Ey up” (with a silent H dropped from the “Hey”) rather than “Eh up”. Except of course in the Bosnian dialect of Yorkshire, in which it is “Ejup” as in “Ejup, Ganić!”. It is not from "Hey", it is, like the word Skriking (which we still use in Lancashire) a word of Norse origin, which means, I think, "watch how you go" or something similar. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 17, 2024 12:56:31 GMT
I think you may be able to calibrate whether Labour selecting an LGBT candidate is likely to harm its chances by looking at Batley and Spen, Wakefield, West Lancashire, and Selby and Ainsty. Ok - though this candidate seemed particularly open about this. 99.9% of the world has happily moved on from this being an issue. If someone like me can openly display it (including but not limited to a rainbow in my Twitter bio) in the sphere of politics in which I operate, then it’s certainly not a problem for any Labour candidate anywhere. And nor should it be. |
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 13:24:51 GMT
Ok - though this candidate seemed particularly open about this. 99.9% of the world has happily moved on from this being an issue. If someone like me can openly display it (including but not limited to a rainbow in my Twitter bio) in the sphere of politics in which I operate, then it’s certainly not a problem for any Labour candidate anywhere. And nor should it be. The world has certainly moved on , but would not agree with the estimate of 99.9%. I would suggest 75% is likely to be nearer the mark. There were a couple of people in the local pub last night talking about him referring to 'his husband' and were clearly unimpressed. The prejudice is now likely to be much more hidden but is still there. The same applies to couples having kids out of wedlock. It is not the stigma it was , but quite a few people still disapprove.
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Post by batman on Feb 17, 2024 13:43:04 GMT
I don’t think 25% would regard this as an issue sufficient to cost their vote, but it would be more than 0.01% too.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 17, 2024 13:57:26 GMT
Ok - though this candidate seemed particularly open about this. 99.9% of the world has happily moved on from this being an issue. If someone like me can openly display it (including but not limited to a rainbow in my Twitter bio) in the sphere of politics in which I operate, then it’s certainly not a problem for any Labour candidate anywhere. And nor should it be. It is not so much of a problem (here in Britain) and still diminishing as such; but to assert that 99.9% 'of the world has happily moved on from this being an issue' is grossly and absurdly wrong. That may be the experience in your modernist, British and probably fairly young milieu : It is not the generality you believe it to be. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 17, 2024 15:07:50 GMT
The issue of prejudice against a gay candidate may be statistically irrelevant but what is important to some people is that they still get to play the victim and more importantly identify as a group that is victimizing them
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Post by maxque on Feb 17, 2024 15:32:08 GMT
99.9% of the world has happily moved on from this being an issue. If someone like me can openly display it (including but not limited to a rainbow in my Twitter bio) in the sphere of politics in which I operate, then it’s certainly not a problem for any Labour candidate anywhere. And nor should it be. The world has certainly moved on , but would not agree with the estimate of 99.9%. I would suggest 75% is likely to be nearer the mark. There were a couple of people in the local pub last night talking about him referring to 'his husband' and were clearly unimpressed. The prejudice is now likely to be much more hidden but is still there. The same applies to couples having kids out of wedlock. It is not the stigma it was , but quite a few people still disapprove.
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 15:38:39 GMT
The world has certainly moved on , but would not agree with the estimate of 99.9%. I would suggest 75% is likely to be nearer the mark. There were a couple of people in the local pub last night talking about him referring to 'his husband' and were clearly unimpressed. The prejudice is now likely to be much more hidden but is still there. The same applies to couples having kids out of wedlock. It is not the stigma it was , but quite a few people still disapprove.
I think that may be why it seems so high to you. Not really. When I heard him make the remark following the declaration it occurred to me that it would not be well received by everybody. |
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Post by maxque on Feb 17, 2024 16:08:24 GMT
I think that may be why it seems so high to you. Not really. When I heard him make the remark following the declaration it occurred to me that it would not be well received by everybody. My comment is that the pub-going demographic might not be representative of the population at-large. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 17, 2024 16:11:12 GMT
Not really. When I heard him make the remark following the declaration it occurred to me that it would not be well received by everybody. My comment is that the pub-going demographic might not be representative of the population at-large. I suspect it's not too unrepresentative all things considered. To put it bluntly, a significant proportion of those who'd have a problem with it nationally (though not in Kingswood) belong to a community who never go to pubs... |
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 16:38:21 GMT
I recall when canvassing for a candidate at the Local Elections in 1996 being told by a voter that she felt unable to support the candidate because he was a cohabitee - ie'living in sin.' It rather opened my eyes to the reality that not everyone is happy with modern standards of morality.
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Post by r34t on Feb 17, 2024 16:40:23 GMT
Not really. When I heard him make the remark following the declaration it occurred to me that it would not be well received by everybody. My comment is that the pub-going demographic might not be representative of the population at-large. 2 points: by the time he made that remark both the pubs & the polls were shut & who watches declarations anyway ? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 17, 2024 16:40:42 GMT
I recall when canvassing for a candidate at the Local Elections in 1996 being told by a voter that she felt unable to support the candidate because he was a cohabitee - ie'living in sin.' It rather opened my eyes to the reality that not everyone is happy with modern standards of morality. are you not a little obsessive? |
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Post by graham on Feb 17, 2024 18:12:47 GMT
I recall when canvassing for a candidate at the Local Elections in 1996 being told by a voter that she felt unable to support the candidate because he was a cohabitee - ie'living in sin.' It rather opened my eyes to the reality that not everyone is happy with modern standards of morality. are you not a little obsessive? I am not clear as to why you raise the issue of obsession at all.
I see that you find it odd that I have used the present tense in relation to something which happened in 1996. Fair enough ! But my point really is that the social changes we associate with the 'permissive society' et al had already arrived by 1996. The changes since the mid-1990s have been much more minor.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 17, 2024 18:24:37 GMT
I realised as soon as I typed it that 99.9% is clearly an over exaggeration so let me revise that downwards and just say a clear majority don’t have a problem.
The biggest problem is actually in parts of London where certain religious communities are concentrated but let’s not use this thread for another game of diversity top trumps, it’s not particularly relevant to either Wellingborough or Kingswood.
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