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Post by johnloony on Feb 16, 2024 15:21:09 GMT
The swing in Hartlepool, applied to Wellingborough:
Con 85.2%
Lab 17.5%
Reform -24.6%
Lib Dem 5.0%
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Post by batman on Feb 16, 2024 15:21:40 GMT
that's very instructive, I had actually not realised there had been a by-election in that constituency, nor that it lasted until 1955. I think it was the only Conservative or Unionist gain in a by-election in that parliament as some normally difficult seats e.g. Bexley & Gravesend were both held (though Labour had gained Bexley by a ludicrously wide margin in 1945).
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 16, 2024 15:25:46 GMT
Australian Cricketers appear to start all replies to questions, with "look," which seems very passive-aggressive.
But will Labour be able to retain the seat? And if so, does this presage a Canadian-type result for the Conservatives? So well deserved if so.
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 16, 2024 15:31:01 GMT
40 seats for the SNP??  Strangely enough there was no manifestation of a decline in SNP support in this by-election.. Also can factor in that, presumably based on the massive drop in Tory vote and the poor showing for the LDs, this projection would mean the SNP "won" the 6 Tory seats and Caithness et al & Fife NE from the LDs, so that gives a bit of nuance to the idea that they retained as many as 40 seats because they didnt lose many to Labour, as they're 8 seats "in credit" effectively, before we start looking at SNP-Lab marginals. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2024 15:33:51 GMT
Of course, and I commonly start a conversation with "Eh up, buddy, how are you?" Really? You astonish me. How frightfully American and chummy. I am my Dad's son, who used the phrase, but the Eh up, said singly or as an opening, is certainly not American. Trust me, is can be said in a way to be much less than chummy, such as when I catch someone skulking in the church grounds. |
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 16, 2024 15:39:31 GMT
I remember being told at school, very sternly, that " you should never start a sentence with And". I never understood why, and happily disregarded said instruction at the time and ever since  Well, that's William Blake told!!
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 16, 2024 15:39:34 GMT
Forgive those who trespass against you.
Or as Presbyterians might say Forgive our debtors
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 16, 2024 15:47:00 GMT
Just to clarify regarding that record vote share drop of 37.6%- it is the worst for any major party in a UK parliamentary by-election, yes, and in fact it is 0.1% higher than Labour's vote share loss in the 1983 Bermondsey by-election. However the record for largest vote share loss is still held by the now defunct Independent Labour Party, whose vote share dropped by 51.3% in the Glasgow Camalchie by-election of 1948. After the count the losing Tory candidate was confident that she would be fighting the seat at the General Election….. If the Tories had any sense they would suspend the constituency association, it sounds totally disfunctional. They might be regretting not daring Bone to stand for Reform. I doubt Reform would have done quite as well if he had been their candidate. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 16, 2024 15:50:02 GMT
There is indeed a conflict to be had between Tory Central office and local associations. I dislike the former more viscerally.
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Post by batman on Feb 16, 2024 16:02:47 GMT
Australian Cricketers appear to start all replies to questions, with "look," which seems very passive-aggressive. But will Labour be able to retain the seat? And if so, does this presage a Canadian-type result for the Conservatives? So well deserved if so. Look, Sandy, we can. Not a Canadian-size meltdown though. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Feb 16, 2024 16:06:28 GMT
All languages change, all grammar leaks. If you want people to sound the same all the time, you need a robot. Or perhaps a sex doll.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 16, 2024 16:38:02 GMT
Really? You astonish me. How frightfully American and chummy. I am my Dad's son, who used the phrase, but the Eh up, said singly or as an opening, is certainly not American. Trist me, is can be said in a way to ne much less than chummy, such as when I catch someone skulking in the church grounds. For someone born in Crewe to suggest that "eh up" is American-influenced shocks me. |
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Post by batman on Feb 16, 2024 16:46:08 GMT
no, it's the health enquiry which is American, typically.
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Post by robert1 on Feb 16, 2024 19:31:23 GMT
The 37% beats the change from Christchurch, which I believe was the previous record? I thought it might have been Christchurch but was unsure. In that case it beats by fully 5% One bit of good news for robert1 perhaps.. I'm disappointed to lose that record. One of the few I'm likely to hold. BTW at the final selection meeting I had put on my cv that I had very basic Afrikaans. It was therefore perfectly legit to ask me something about that in the language. I responded in Afriks and then explained to the rest of the audience what had happened. A fun moment in a very difficult campaign. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 16, 2024 20:37:37 GMT
I am my Dad's son, who used the phrase, but the Eh up, said singly or as an opening, is certainly not American. Trist me, is can be said in a way to ne much less than chummy, such as when I catch someone skulking in the church grounds. For someone born in Crewe to suggest that "eh up" is American-influenced shocks me. Why? I was only there for part of one night and then a second night at the very start of my life and have never been back in 80-years. What sort of deep effect do you think two days would have on a newborn? You know that I was not commenting on the "Eh Up" of course. Yes, of course you did. But it is the game that is played in British discourse in the lower divisions! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 17, 2024 0:06:38 GMT
For someone born in Crewe to suggest that "eh up" is American-influenced shocks me. Why? I was only there for part of one night and then a second night at the very start of my life and have never been back in 80-years. What sort of deep effect do you think two days would have on a newborn? You know that I was not commenting on the "Eh Up" of course. Yes, of course you did. But it is the game that is played in British discourse in the lower divisions! But the first words you ever heard were "Eh up, it's arrived and it's a boy". |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 17, 2024 0:10:06 GMT
Why? I was only there for part of one night and then a second night at the very start of my life and have never been back in 80-years. What sort of deep effect do you think two days would have on a newborn? You know that I was not commenting on the "Eh Up" of course. Yes, of course you did. But it is the game that is played in British discourse in the lower divisions! But the first words you ever heard were "Eh up, it's arrived and it's a boy". I doubt it. No NHS. Private Clinic. I think the three principals in the delivery room were all Scots (Hearsay many years later of course!) Large head. Rather late. Caesarean birth. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 17, 2024 0:48:14 GMT
For someone born in Crewe to suggest that "eh up" is American-influenced shocks me. Why? I was only there for part of one night and then a second night at the very start of my life and have never been back in 80-years. What sort of deep effect do you think two days would have on a newborn? You know that I was not commenting on the "Eh Up" of course. Yes, of course you did. But it is the game that is played in British discourse in the lower divisions! I have always understood that the Yorkshire greeting is “‘Ey up” (with a silent H dropped from the “Hey”) rather than “Eh up”. Except of course in the Bosnian dialect of Yorkshire, in which it is “Ejup” as in “Ejup, Ganić!”. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 17, 2024 1:40:07 GMT
All languages change, all grammar leaks. If you want people to sound the same all the time, you need a robot. Or perhaps a sex doll. Or any other new hobby, really. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 17, 2024 10:47:22 GMT
that's very instructive, I had actually not realised there had been a by-election in that constituency, nor that it lasted until 1955. I think it was the only Conservative or Unionist gain in a by-election in that parliament as some normally difficult seats e.g. Bexley & Gravesend were both held (though Labour had gained Bexley by a ludicrously wide margin in 1945). Indeed, official Labour's first byelection loss since the 1945 GE was Sunderland South in 1953. The only seat to change hands in that parliament. |
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