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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 25, 2023 5:31:11 GMT
This is where extremism gets you. It doesn't get you democracy, because currently so much of the US machinery of government is frozen or otherwise on hold. It doesn't allow for debate or compromise. It doesn't recruit people to your cause. Trump's band of brothers will hold out on the hill with enough supplies to last the winter but usually that ends with the cult leader turning a gun on themselves so that's not the best idea either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 5:34:29 GMT
Neither side has the chance to crush the other so they're going nowhere insisting on it. The moderates aren't willing to do a deal with the Democrats, which is a shame, but then they can't just insist on someone who is totally on their side because that can't unify the conference. The Freedom Caucus also had their shot at getting a Speaker who will give them everything they want, and that failed too. Their prospects are even dinner because the idea of them doing deals with Democrats to vote for literally anything is absurd, so they are a vastly outnumbered minority in the House. The only way the Republican conference can reach a consensus is through compromise (something the idiots hate lol). If it's at all possible to satisfy both sides, Johnson does it surely. This is the most basic maturity test for Republicans, and the only one they can possibly pass. The MAGA headbangers made the perfect the enemy of the good: McCarthy was the best they could get. When Democrats retake the House in 2024, Republicans will bitterly regret jettisoning McCarthy. The result may not even be all that close, and you could see nearly all the Biden Districts with Republicans elect Democrats. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 25, 2023 6:19:29 GMT
I'll need to read up on this a bit more; I've heard on a podcast that there are parallels between what MAGA is doing now with his United Russia played a long game with elections to the Duma which ended with Putin heading the electoral list, and the rest is history. What looks like chaos could be a "trick play".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 6:40:15 GMT
I'll need to read up on this a bit more; I've heard on a podcast that there are parallels between what MAGA is doing now with his United Russia played a long game with elections to the Duma which ended with Putin heading the electoral list, and the rest is history. What looks like chaos could be a "trick play". There is a 'long game' - perpetual opposition, and endless grifting and fundraising. Congress is an incumbent House member protection racket, IMO. On that point, grift, there's still $93 million in the 'Stop the Steal' account so far as I can tell, and of course, they lost 60 out of 61 court cases. Will that money now be refunded? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 25, 2023 6:49:52 GMT
I'll need to read up on this a bit more; I've heard on a podcast that there are parallels between what MAGA is doing now with his United Russia played a long game with elections to the Duma which ended with Putin heading the electoral list, and the rest is history. What looks like chaos could be a "trick play". That sounds a bit 4D chess! It's probably just plain old chaos. As for United Russia, wasn't it essentially engineered by Yeltsin to do over Yuri Luzhkov? |
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Post by relique on Oct 25, 2023 7:02:37 GMT
If I was a republican nutjob, I'd insist on getting a speaker vote on plurality once I have a nutjob candidate for speaker to be able to (1) end this charade, (2) get to vilify another democrat and (3) blame the anti-trump moderates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 7:12:51 GMT
If I was a republican nutjob, I'd insist on getting a speaker vote on plurality once I have a nutjob candidate for speaker to be able to (1) end this charade, (2) get to vilify another democrat and (3) blame the anti-trump moderates. It's funny isn't it? FPTP for the electorate, but not for Congress, just like state-funded healthcare. It's a fucking joke, no wonder 86% disapprove of the US Congress. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 25, 2023 13:44:58 GMT
I'll need to read up on this a bit more; I've heard on a podcast that there are parallels between what MAGA is doing now with his United Russia played a long game with elections to the Duma which ended with Putin heading the electoral list, and the rest is history. What looks like chaos could be a "trick play". You certainly need to read up on a bit more. Putin was first elected President before United Russia even existed. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2023 16:29:30 GMT
Here we go again. Now let's see if Mike Johnson's role on Trump's impeachment defence is sufficiently extreme to keep the Rosendales of this world on board, while not being so completely nutty as to lose the GOP moderates.
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Post by iain on Oct 25, 2023 16:54:15 GMT
1 Republican and 3 Democrats absent. The mood music seems to be that the new guy is going to make it.
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 25, 2023 17:04:38 GMT
1 Republican and 3 Democrats absent. The mood music seems to be that the new guy is going to make it. Yes, and let's see how long this lasts this time (presuming the one member can move a vacation of the Speakership motion remains). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 17:26:48 GMT
Mike Johnson is *only* more conservative than 63% of the Republican conference: voteview.com/person/21727/mike-johnson. Compare this to Jim Jordan., who’s more conservative than 91% of them. Hence, he’s more electable. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 17:44:41 GMT
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 25, 2023 17:54:58 GMT
We now have a speaker.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 25, 2023 17:57:22 GMT
God help him.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 25, 2023 18:01:14 GMT
May his god curse him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 18:05:49 GMT
One last time
John Boehner - divorced
Eric Cantor - beheaded
Paul Ryan - died
Kevin McCarthy - divorced
Jim Jordan - beheaded
Mike Johnson - survived
I’ll see myself out
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 25, 2023 18:51:46 GMT
Lord help us. This is the best the GOP can do?
He may well pleasantly surprise us, i seriously doubt it.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 25, 2023 18:52:34 GMT
One last time John Boehner - divorced Eric Cantor - beheaded Paul Ryan - died Kevin McCarthy - divorced Jim Jordan - beheaded Mike Johnson - survived I’ll see myself out We've already let your room. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 19:10:35 GMT
Lord help us. This is the best the GOP can do? He may well pleasantly surprise us, i seriously doubt it. Why is it always right-wingers called Johnson who break the impasse? |
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