polupolu
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Post by polupolu on Oct 6, 2023 19:54:18 GMT
Odd quiz, and I didn't know how to answer some of the questions (perhaps thanks to not being from NZ). For example surely the women in sports question should be simply a decision made by the relevant regulatory body of each individual sport based on scientific evidence, rather than a remotely political topic. But my results were The Opportunities Party (TOP) 63% National Party (NAT) 62% Labour Party (LAB) 59% New Zealand First (NZF) 58% ACT New Zealand (ACT) 58% Te Pāti Māori (TPM) 49% Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand (GRN) 38% TOP was top for me too, and I would probably vote for them (perhaps they can be added to our poll?) |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 6, 2023 21:06:56 GMT
I managed TOP, Green, Labour, and Maori. Very similar...70,70,69,66
But the others, 35, 26, 24. National, NZF, ACT.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 6, 2023 21:28:15 GMT
ACT: 78%
NZF: 70%
NAT: 68%
TOP: 43%
LAB: 36%
TPM: 13%
GRN: 12%
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 10:00:28 GMT
Late polling
The Guardian Essential one shows something of a Labour surge but they would still need New Zealand First to form a government which seems unlikely to happen
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 10:02:55 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Oct 11, 2023 10:59:30 GMT
The compass shows that I'm significantly closer to ACT compared to any other party (slightly more moderate than them on both social and economic issues), yet the percentage chart shows NAT in first place….
National Party - 82%
ACT - 75%
NZF - 73%
LAB - 45%
TOP - 44%
TPM - 17%
GRN - 10%
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 11, 2023 11:02:09 GMT
Will this affect the allocation of list members? (Okay it's not the most marginal of seats but formal calculations...) |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 11:40:25 GMT
Will this affect the allocation of list members? (Okay it's not the most marginal of seats but formal calculations...) Good question, not sure if this has arisen before |
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Post by maxque on Oct 11, 2023 23:25:19 GMT
Will this affect the allocation of list members? (Okay it's not the most marginal of seats but formal calculations...) No. Everything will be allocated as normal and the by-election will be for a new 121st seat. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 12, 2023 0:02:20 GMT
Late polling The Guardian Essential one shows something of a Labour surge but they would still need New Zealand First to form a government which seems unlikely to happen So there's still potential for a Labour - Green - NZ First government if David Seymour and Winston Peters still despise each other? |
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Post by maxque on Oct 12, 2023 0:12:00 GMT
Late polling The Guardian Essential one shows something of a Labour surge but they would still need New Zealand First to form a government which seems unlikely to happen So there's still potential for a Labour - Green - NZ First government if David Seymour and Winston Peters still despise each other? NZ First said they will not join any Labour government. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 0:15:18 GMT
Late polling The Guardian Essential one shows something of a Labour surge but they would still need New Zealand First to form a government which seems unlikely to happen So there's still potential for a Labour - Green - NZ First government if David Seymour and Winston Peters still despise each other? No. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 12, 2023 0:17:47 GMT
So there's still potential for a Labour - Green - NZ First government if David Seymour and Winston Peters still despise each other? NZ First said they will not join any Labour government. That's what they said last time..... |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 12, 2023 0:37:05 GMT
NZ First said they will not join any Labour government. That's what they said last time..... Nevertheless after the battering they took in 2020 following that coalition I can’t see Peters going for it again |
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Post by jamie on Oct 12, 2023 7:16:54 GMT
Peters has gone very hard on the ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric, so it’s hard to see him ending up in the same coalition as the Greens, nevermind the Maori Party.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 12, 2023 11:05:59 GMT
Those new numbers - WINston no longer the 5th wheel of Nat.&ACT - will give hope to Labourites and fear to genuine lefties (so to some both).
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Oct 12, 2023 11:34:36 GMT
Peters has gone very hard on the ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric, so it’s hard to see him ending up in the same coalition as the Greens, nevermind the Maori Party. He's said many times he won't support a Labour/left government. |
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Post by pericles on Oct 12, 2023 19:46:25 GMT
Peters has gone very hard on the ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric, so it’s hard to see him ending up in the same coalition as the Greens, nevermind the Maori Party. He's said many times he won't support a Labour/left government. He has a history of trickery, eg campaigning on a 'change of government' in 1996 before supporting the National government. Most of the public apparently don't believe him. However, I think he has been so definitive this time that he simply couldn't side with Labour. They even made a solid comitment 'not to return Labour to power' which should rule out trickery like abstaining on confidence votes. Hipkins also ruled him out. So while I'd be relieved if Labour returned, I think both parties have been so definitive that such a government would be illegitimate. National has warned though that we might have a second election if negotiations break down, which is probably just ineffective scare campaigning. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 12, 2023 19:50:31 GMT
The conflict with David Seymour could be worked around by New Zealand First taking more of a confidence and supply backseat type of role. However going by history Winston actually enjoys being a government minister and while he seems to be in good health at his age there aren’t exactly unlimited chances left
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 12, 2023 22:43:12 GMT
FFS, any right winger voting for Winston such be sectioned.
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