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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 25, 2023 16:04:33 GMT
Is there anywhere where the two together get 50%+ and are any of those places areas where one has more than 50% of the vote 9f the larger party? I don't know what a good measure of a two party system in this context would be, but that seems like a start. I’ve done the maps and looked at the data manually, so I’m probably not going to do an actual map of PvdA+PVV, but I think that there are a couple of municipalities where PVV received close to 50% in Limburg and slightly to the north of Amsterdam in North Holland. The best PVV result I've found is 53.8% in Rucphen (North Brabant). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 26, 2023 3:54:18 GMT
That PVV score in Limburg. Blimey. Looking at that and North Brabant... Is there any correlation there between Catholicism and PVV voting? Wilders himself being a lapsed Catholic from Limburg... I have no idea, to what extent Wilders can be linguistically linked to the Southern dialects. His right-liberal ("libertarian") beginning and appearance was surely very outsiderish for the area of carnival/fries/gardenTents/campers/blinds, which has allWays been prone to a certain "populism" against the (ex)Calvinistic liberal peperZaks of GreaterHolland/RandStad. But with Wilders having been treated as an outSider they have found together. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 26, 2023 10:06:49 GMT
That PVV score in Limburg. Blimey. Looking at that and North Brabant... Is there any correlation there between Catholicism and PVV voting? Wilders himself being a lapsed Catholic from Limburg... I have no idea, to what extent Wilders can be linguistically linked to the Southern dialects. His right-liberal ("libertarian") beginning and appearance was surely very outsiderish for the area of carnival/fries/gardenTents/campers/blinds, which has allWays been prone to a certain "populism" against the (ex)Calvinistic liberal peperZaks of GreaterHolland/RandStad. But with Wilders having been treated as an outSider they have found together. A brutal but amusing description there, Georg. The Germanic view of the Dutch reminds me of this video. I can't quite believe that primetime television would dedicate time to a club entertainer in Majorca singing a dodgy song about how much he dislikes the Dutch. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 26, 2023 13:16:38 GMT
Reminds me of the Voeller-Rijkaard incident:
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 26, 2023 13:20:07 GMT
Reminds me of the Voeller-Rijkaard incident: Eventually everyone who should have been sent off got sent off, but for things they didn't do instead of the things that they did do. |
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Post by markgoodair on Nov 27, 2023 14:56:20 GMT
Gom van Stern who Wilders selected as the PVV scout for coalition negotiations has resigned over fraud allegations.
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Post by connor on Nov 27, 2023 20:20:36 GMT
This will go either two ways.
Either Gert will have to push back on all his most toxic stances and election promises in order to secure any sort of coalition to become PM, therefore alienating a strong chunk of his fan base and pretty much guaranteeing his one term as PM.
Or
It goes to another election early next year.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 27, 2023 22:39:51 GMT
This will go either two ways. Either Gert will have to push back on all his most toxic stances and election promises in order to secure any sort of coalition to become PM, therefore alienating a strong chunk of his fan base and pretty much guaranteeing his one term as PM. Or It goes to another election early next year. Or to a minority of VVD&NSC&BBB tolerated by PVV&JA21. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 28, 2023 18:38:52 GMT
This will go either two ways. Either Gert will have to push back on all his most toxic stances and election promises in order to secure any sort of coalition to become PM, therefore alienating a strong chunk of his fan base and pretty much guaranteeing his one term as PM. Or It goes to another election early next year. should probably say ‘most’ rather than all of his more hard right stances. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 28, 2023 18:39:52 GMT
This will go either two ways. Either Gert will have to push back on all his most toxic stances and election promises in order to secure any sort of coalition to become PM, therefore alienating a strong chunk of his fan base and pretty much guaranteeing his one term as PM. Or It goes to another election early next year. Or to a minority of VVD&NSC&BBB tolerated by PVV&JA21. I suspect that this is what would have (and was expected to) happened if PVV didn’t win by a landslide. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 28, 2023 22:55:30 GMT
Or to a minority of VVD&NSC&BBB tolerated by PVV&JA21. I suspect that this is what would have (and was expected to) happened if PVV didn’t win by a landslide. Well, 23% "a landslide"? The midRight-bloc can argue to have in sum still more seats. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 29, 2023 7:25:15 GMT
I suspect that this is what would have (and was expected to) happened if PVV didn’t win by a landslide. Well, 23% "a landslide"? The midRight-bloc can argue to have in sum still more seats. As far as landslides are possible in a very flat country, Georg  |
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Post by right on Nov 29, 2023 21:07:54 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 30, 2023 22:21:23 GMT
There was an article in the FT with talking heads from Amsterdam wondering why the rest of the country didn't vote like it did. Apart from telling us a lot about Amsterdammers, they clearly hadn't wondered why Rotterdam hadn't voted like Amsterdam. Rotterdam is, whilst a lot of fun, very dicey and rougher than a lot of Amsterdam because it doesn't have the hipster edge. The triumph (in plurality terms) of the PVV has made me wonder what the election map of the Netherlands would look like in terms of FPTP (a) as it actually voted (b) as it would have voted if Netherlands actually used FPTP in real life. Presumably (b) would have evolved a main right-wing party (a larger and more moderate version of the PVV plus liberals) and a main left-wing party (Labour sort-of). Possibly with some idiosyncratic local clusters of inner-city Greens and countryside religious weirdo parties. Edit: I found a map of local pluralities, which approximately confirms my thoughts: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/181x5jn/netherlands_2023_election_map_by_biggest_party/ Here is a try:  Wonder, which coalition would emerge from this... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 30, 2023 22:24:43 GMT
Gom van Stern who Wilders selected as the PVV scout for coalition negotiations has resigned over fraud allegations. Now what to make of this. The new scout appointed by Wilders is Ronald Plasterk, a former PvdA minister and well-known public figure. |
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Post by right on Dec 1, 2023 11:16:20 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 1, 2023 12:46:51 GMT
Gom van Stern who Wilders selected as the PVV scout for coalition negotiations has resigned over fraud allegations. Now what to make of this. The new scout appointed by Wilders is Ronald Plasterk, a former PvdA minister and well-known public figure. Well, he is a geneticist (not sure, perhaps i have read anything from him?), thus per se a "racist" for certain clowns... |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 10, 2023 15:55:26 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 10, 2023 15:55:43 GMT
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Post by ibfc on Dec 14, 2023 18:39:55 GMT
PVV’s Bosma has been elected the Speaker of the Lower House.
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