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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 9:30:21 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. I seem to remember looking at this before though and concluding that the business vote would not have been large enough to be decisive (I could be wrong). Of course it did include some pretty upmarket resdiential areas in Bloomsbury etc. I think most of the council housing which has shifted the voting patterns in Holborn was built by Camden council (or was 'nationalised' from existing stock) yes but of course that was a much larger area even though it was a small seat by today's standards! The Tory MP who won it was the broadcaster Geoffrey Johnson Smith, who later represented a very safe seat in Sussex for a number of years (well it was safe at the time, they had a shocker there in this year's local elections). Lena Jeger had succeeded her husband there when he died, in a by-election in 1953, lost it in 1959 but then regained it in 1964. She became a much-respected figure on the not-particularly-hard left of the Labour Party. And indeed most if the St Pancras borough wards at the time were heavily Labour so its quite likely Holborn itself continued to vote Conservative througout the 1950s The theatre company that I'm a member of started life as the drama section of a thing called the Mary Ward settlement . In 1938 the settlement thought Bloomsbury had become too upmarket for their work and decided to move to the worst area of deprivation they could think of....Islington. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:32:23 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. I seem to remember looking at this before though and concluding that the business vote would not have been large enough to be decisive (I could be wrong). Of course it did include some pretty upmarket resdiential areas in Bloomsbury etc. I think most of the council housing which has shifted the voting patterns in Holborn was built by Camden council (or was 'nationalised' from existing stock) And indeed most if the St Pancras borough wards at the time were heavily Labour so its quite likely Holborn itself continued to vote Conservative througout the 1950s The theatre company that I'm a member of started life as the drama section of a thing called the Mary Ward settlement . In 1938 the settlement thought Bloomsbury had become too upmarket for their work and decided to move to the worst area of deprivation they could think of....Islington. You remind me of people's reactions when I tell them I used to live in King's Cross and now live in Hackney! "Red light district" and "slums" often come up. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 22, 2023 9:33:33 GMT
Of course, Labour would have absolutely no chance in any Winchester constituency, not even now, no matter what boundaries happened to be in operation. In 1945 it contained Eastleigh, which at that time made a *massive* difference. These days, it is pretty much as hopeless territory for Labour as Winchester - indeed, it is a stark illustration of how profoundly some places can change over a few generations. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 9:44:01 GMT
The theatre company that I'm a member of started life as the drama section of a thing called the Mary Ward settlement . In 1938 the settlement thought Bloomsbury had become too upmarket for their work and decided to move to the worst area of deprivation they could think of....Islington. You remind me of people's reactions when I tell them I used to live in King's Cross and now live in Hackney! "Red light district" and "slums" often come up. As it turned out they didn't move because the war broke out. In the early 1950s we did move to Islington, specifically to Canonbury, which had magnificent housing but a lot of it abandoned and derelict. How times change. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:54:16 GMT
You remind me of people's reactions when I tell them I used to live in King's Cross and now live in Hackney! "Red light district" and "slums" often come up. As it turned out they didn't move because the war broke out. In the early 1950s we did move to Islington, specifically to Canonbury, which had magnificent housing but a lot of it abandoned and derelict. How times change. I saw a house for auction on Balls Pond Road in Canonbury - it looked pretty run down. The more things change... |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 9:56:57 GMT
As it turned out they didn't move because the war broke out. In the early 1950s we did move to Islington, specifically to Canonbury, which had magnificent housing but a lot of it abandoned and derelict. How times change. I saw a house for auction on Balls Pond Road in Canonbury - it looked pretty run down. The more things change... Well even run down , these days it would go for a fortune. Back then, not so much. We were part of a magazine feature from the very early 60s, about the area which also included a lawyer and his family who had moved there much to the horror and surprise of his family and acquaintances. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:57:39 GMT
I saw a house for auction on Balls Pond Road in Canonbury - it looked pretty run down. The more things change... Well even run down , these days it would go for a fortune. Back then, not so much. We were part of a magazine feature from the very early 60s, about the area which also included a lawyer and his family who had moved there much to the horror and surprise of his family and acquaintances. My parents nearly bought a house in Stoke Newington for £100k in 1999... |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 22, 2023 13:59:27 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. I seem to remember looking at this before though and concluding that the business vote would not have been large enough to be decisive (I could be wrong). Of course it did include some pretty upmarket resdiential areas in Bloomsbury etc. I think most of the council housing which has shifted the voting patterns in Holborn was built by Camden council (or was 'nationalised' from existing stock) And on the other side of the same equation, there are a fair amount of properties in Bloomsbury which will have returned Conservative votes in 1945 but which are no longer residential. |
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Post by maxque on Oct 22, 2023 14:52:28 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. I seem to remember looking at this before though and concluding that the business vote would not have been large enough to be decisive (I could be wrong). Of course it did include some pretty upmarket resdiential areas in Bloomsbury etc. I think most of the council housing which has shifted the voting patterns in Holborn was built by Camden council (or was 'nationalised' from existing stock) Would those be accessible from Internet Archive? |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2023 15:25:24 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. I seem to remember looking at this before though and concluding that the business vote would not have been large enough to be decisive (I could be wrong). Of course it did include some pretty upmarket resdiential areas in Bloomsbury etc. I think most of the council housing which has shifted the voting patterns in Holborn was built by Camden council (or was 'nationalised' from existing stock) Would those be accessible from Internet Archive? If you mean the Wayback machine, the links are dead there too. Martin Harrison (who retired from Keele in 1993) died in March this year. The copyright notice seemed to run until 2014. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 22, 2023 17:13:32 GMT
It's real shame that Keele site is no longer avaialble as it showed the breakdown of business and servive voters which I don't think is available elsewhere. The electorate statistics were published in House of Commons Papers of the time - HC 107 for England and Wales, HC 109 for Scotland. Accessible via the UK Parliamentary Papers database. |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 22, 2023 17:22:03 GMT
Would those be accessible from Internet Archive? If you mean the Wayback machine, the links are dead there too. Martin Harrison (who retired from Keele in 1993) died in March this year. The copyright notice seemed to run until 2014. ElectionWeb is also long gone as well-only a few archived links are available  |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 22, 2023 17:28:24 GMT
If you mean the Wayback machine, the links are dead there too. Martin Harrison (who retired from Keele in 1993) died in March this year. The copyright notice seemed to run until 2014. ElectionWeb is also long gone as well-only a few archived links are available There's a very serious issue surrounding "digital rot" or a digital "dark age". Most of the 'original internet' we knew from the first wave 20-ish years ago have been wiped away already, and that's before we get to the Geocities era, never mind the MySpace era. The disks and hard drives we used to use are mostly obsolete now, and there's no guarantee that the 'cloud' will retain all our billions of photos and files in the future. Websites we love can disappear in a flash. This forum did, in one guise. It's very easy to lose everything to link rot. |
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Post by ColinJ on Oct 22, 2023 17:50:08 GMT
ElectionWeb is also long gone as well-only a few archived links are available There's a very serious issue surrounding "digital rot" or a digital "dark age". Most of the 'original internet' we knew from the first wave 20-ish years ago have been wiped away already, and that's before we get to the Geocities era, never mind the MySpace era. The disks and hard drives we used to use are mostly obsolete now, and there's no guarantee that the 'cloud' will retain all our billions of photos and files in the future. Websites we love can disappear in a flash. This forum did, in one guise. It's very easy to lose everything to link rot. Presumably my Harrow elections site will disappear once the grim reaper calls. I have left the 'stick' of data and my archive of election leaflets to the Harrow museum/archives, though. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 22, 2023 18:00:54 GMT
There's a very serious issue surrounding "digital rot" or a digital "dark age". Most of the 'original internet' we knew from the first wave 20-ish years ago have been wiped away already, and that's before we get to the Geocities era, never mind the MySpace era. The disks and hard drives we used to use are mostly obsolete now, and there's no guarantee that the 'cloud' will retain all our billions of photos and files in the future. Websites we love can disappear in a flash. This forum did, in one guise. It's very easy to lose everything to link rot. Presumably my Harrow elections site will disappear once the grim reaper calls. I have left the 'stick' of data and my archive of election leaflets to the Harrow museum/archives, though. That's a good thing to do, at least you've provided a safety net. So much of the Internet vanishes without any copy or trace. And archivists of the future will notice. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 22, 2023 18:07:12 GMT
I used to print of reams of pages from sites like this psephos.adam-carr.net/ because I was worried they might disappear. I later thought I must have been mad but later still realised it was a good plan. That site still exists but so many otehrs don't. I printed off some stuff from that superb Weimar elections site and I think I still have it somewhere - that site is long gone |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 23, 2023 10:20:38 GMT
A lot of good stuff perished with Geocities in particular.
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Post by islington on Oct 23, 2023 11:15:27 GMT
ElectionWeb is also long gone as well-only a few archived links are available There's a very serious issue surrounding "digital rot" or a digital "dark age". Most of the 'original internet' we knew from the first wave 20-ish years ago have been wiped away already, and that's before we get to the Geocities era, never mind the MySpace era. The disks and hard drives we used to use are mostly obsolete now, and there's no guarantee that the 'cloud' will retain all our billions of photos and files in the future. Websites we love can disappear in a flash. This forum did, in one guise. It's very easy to lose everything to link rot. Yes. This is a serious problem. Is there a thread suitable for a post on this subject?
If not, I might start one.
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Post by stb12 on Oct 23, 2023 11:17:21 GMT
Speaking of the early days of the internet Bob Dole’s 1996 campaign website is still live www.dolekemp96.org/ |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 23, 2023 12:08:21 GMT
There's a very serious issue surrounding "digital rot" or a digital "dark age". Most of the 'original internet' we knew from the first wave 20-ish years ago have been wiped away already, and that's before we get to the Geocities era, never mind the MySpace era. The disks and hard drives we used to use are mostly obsolete now, and there's no guarantee that the 'cloud' will retain all our billions of photos and files in the future. Websites we love can disappear in a flash. This forum did, in one guise. It's very easy to lose everything to link rot. Yes. This is a serious problem. Is there a thread suitable for a post on this subject?
If not, I might start one.
If you start it in General or Off Topic I can't access those, though I think I've made my point. |
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