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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 19:53:55 GMT
A sudden thought: will Boris go to Beds? Ooh, this could the the ‘something significant’ Nadine gave as a reason for resigning, that timmullen1 referred to. |
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Post by cogload on Jun 9, 2023 19:53:57 GMT
Nice of de Pfeffel to resign at the same time. Labour can concentrate on this one, we can have a run at Mid Beds.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 9, 2023 19:58:50 GMT
I agree that there was an agenda to get him, and that this was for daring to set himself against the predominant narrative of the political elite, but the fact remains that if he hadn't been so weak and lackadaisical in his leadership qualities then he'd still be PM. He has nobody to blame for this other than himself.
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Post by r34t on Jun 9, 2023 20:09:49 GMT
Nice of de Pfeffel to resign at the same time. Labour can concentrate on this one, we can have a run at Mid Beds. My thoughts as well … |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 9, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
I agree that there was an agenda to get him, and that this was for daring to set himself against the predominant narrative of the political elite, but the fact remains that if he hadn't been so weak and lackadaisical in his leadership qualities then he'd still be PM. He has nobody to blame for this other than himself. Let's be honest. Hes as guilty as sin on the offence as charged but parliament should never have the ability to lay judgement on their own - short of major criminal wrongdoing confirmed by a judge that should under be the exclusive jurisdiction of the electorate. It's an inadequate poorly thought through law that's come to an unsatisfactory (lack of a) conclusion for all involved. I'm also pissed off that somehow this charge over irrelevant nothingness is somehow more of interest than the arbitrary crap the country had to put up with. Because somehow bullshitting on points of low importance to 600 people is more important than bullshitting a nation on important matters. |
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Post by michaelarden on Jun 9, 2023 20:23:17 GMT
Nice of de Pfeffel to resign at the same time. Labour can concentrate on this one, we can have a run at Mid Beds. My thoughts as well … I don't get this at all. Labour are a clear second in both seats and it would make their credentials as a government in waiting much stronger to win both. |
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 9, 2023 20:28:37 GMT
... that this was for daring to set himself against the predominant narrative of the political elite... You do recall that he was the Prime Minister, don't you? He was the political elite. |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 9, 2023 20:37:41 GMT
I don't get this at all. Labour are a clear second in both seats and it would make their credentials as a government in waiting much stronger to win both. I think labour will win both, but both will go back (keeping in mind new Uxbridge is more tory than the old) at the GE. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 9, 2023 20:39:42 GMT
I don't get this at all. Labour are a clear second in both seats and it would make their credentials as a government in waiting much stronger to win both. But it’s just a continuation of the unwritten rule there seems to be whenever there’s a rural and (sub)urban by-election at around the same time, that it’s ‘one each’ so to speak. Labour were runners up in North Shropshire (and came close in ‘97) but they took a step back and allowed the LDs in, while they focussed on the futile attempt to take ‘Old’ Bexley to the LDs. Labour then focussed on Wakefield while the LDs romped home in Tiverton again where Labour were second. |
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Post by redtony on Jun 9, 2023 20:39:46 GMT
Will Boris go for mid beds
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Post by aargauer on Jun 9, 2023 20:41:02 GMT
Will Boris go for mid beds There is no way CCHQ will let him. Not happening. Let's look on the positive side. Nadine can't be the new leader and run a parliamentary cargo cult after the 2024 election. |
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Post by r34t on Jun 9, 2023 20:44:30 GMT
I don't get this at all. Labour are a clear second in both seats and it would make their credentials as a government in waiting much stronger to win both. Demographics. Some seats you can see how Labour can get to 20%, but not how they can get to 40%, similarly with the Tories. The LibDems, being a franchise, can & do shapeshift in different areas & seats. They don’t have a similar ceiling issue. If it was just Mid Bedfordshire on it’s own then standing aside would not be an option, a 3 way fight would be very problematic for many reasons. Uxbridge offers an escape route/ strategy. As I’m sure BoJo is very much aware of. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 9, 2023 20:53:54 GMT
... that this was for daring to set himself against the predominant narrative of the political elite... You do recall that he was the Prime Minister, don't you? He was the political elite. No. The political elite are those that dominate parliament, those that dominate the political institutions, most of the think tanks, the cultural organisations, the big businesses, the BBC and so on. Those are all of one overarching political trend; namely Southern dominated social and economic liberalism. Boris went against that, for his own self interested reasons I accept, and led a sucessful socially conservative, anti-Southern and anti-corporate agenda that specifically appealed to people that those I mentioned look down upon. That's why Boris is hated by them and it is why, when he gave them the opportunity, they took their chance and have elimated any chance of a return. This isn't some sort of Trumpian comment either. I accept he did wrong, I accept he's guilty and I accept he must be punished. However, I am not naive enough not to recognise the motivations of those who went for him. The Harriet Harman's, the Sue Grey's etc. They aren't impartial paragons blindly delivering justice, they have their prejudices. Let's be the intelligent adults we are and accept that. |
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Post by xenon on Jun 9, 2023 20:54:41 GMT
Surely Labour would be better focusing on Rutherglen and Uxbridge rather than running three simultaneous campaigns and risking winning none of them?
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 9, 2023 20:57:03 GMT
Surely Labour would be better focusing on Rutherglen and Uxbridge rather than running three simultaneous campaigns and risking winning none of them? Rutherglen will be a long time after the other two. |
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Post by michaelarden on Jun 9, 2023 21:02:47 GMT
Demographics. Some seats you can see how Labour can get to 20%, but not how they can get to 40%, similarly with the Tories. The LibDems, being a franchise, can & do shapeshift in different areas & seats. They don’t have a similar ceiling issue. If it was just Mid Bedfordshire on it’s own then standing aside would not be an option, a 3 way fight would be very problematic for many reasons. Uxbridge offers an escape route/ strategy. As I’m sure BoJo is very much aware of. I get that - but the Labour vote in mid Bedfordshire is at a higher level and a longer history than in Tiverton or Shropshire where the Liberal vote was recovering back to historical type following the 2015 disaster. Labour would have won a mid Beds by election in the run up to 1997 and weren't that far off winning it the GE - a Starmer Labour victory in 2023 in a seat Blair didn't win would nail down his credentials as the next PM. |
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Post by xenon on Jun 9, 2023 21:04:22 GMT
Surely Labour would be better focusing on Rutherglen and Uxbridge rather than running three simultaneous campaigns and risking winning none of them? Rutherglen will be a long time after the other two. Indeed, but in many ways the campaign in Rutherglen has already stated. In addition, the Electoral Commission treat the petition period similarly to the the actual campaign with regards to spending and donations rules. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 9, 2023 21:05:26 GMT
The outgoing MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip has done next to nothing in Parliament this year. Here's his entire Parliamentary activity this year:
9 January: Oral supplementary question at DLUHC having a go at Sadiq Khan for building more houses than the previous Mayor
17 January: Oral supplementary question at BEIS calling for more nuclear power stations
6 February: Oral supplementary question at Home Office questions supporting the Rwanda deal
20 February: Speech on Ukraine
28 February: Topical question at DESNZ calling for more nuclear power stations
22 March: Votes against the Windsor Framework (breaking the whip), and to reject Lords amendments to the Public Order Bill (obeying the whip)
2 May: Oral question at Foreign Office questions calling for Ukraine to join NATO
5 June: Oral question at DLUHC calling for levelling up of the north; a sedentary contribution attacking Sadiq Khan
6 June: Oral supplementary question at Health questions calling for new hospital in Hillingdon
And that was it. No other votes in divisions, no other speeches, no committee participation, no EDMs, no written questions. Save for the very last question none of it had anything to do with his constituency.
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Post by Jonathan on Jun 9, 2023 21:07:04 GMT
Boris Johnson didn't need to resign. If he was convinced of his innocence and a stick up by the Westminster he could have taken his case back to his constituents and let them decide.
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Post by graham on Jun 9, 2023 21:19:45 GMT
Labour is quite a bit higher in the polls than at the time of North Shropshire at the end of 2021. Had that by election taken place 6 - 12 months later the party would have been a more serious contender there.
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