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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 12, 2023 14:41:50 GMT
Michael Crick is speculating on candidates. Tories: He's mentioning Ryan Henson (prev. Bedford candidate, well connected) Helen Harrison (N Northants cllr, Peter Bone's partner) Emma Best (Waltham Forest cllr) Labour: Alistair Strathern (Waltham Forest cllr) Sam Russell (SW Beds CLP chair) Gemma Widdowfield (local) Sudesh Rani, Mansoor Nasir (Bedford) Sarquib Ali (Bedford) Lib Dem: Chris Adams (centrally connected) Henry Vann (Bedford cllr + former parliamentary candidate) Looking at her social media, Gemma Widdowfield will not be best pleased if not shortlisted. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 12, 2023 15:19:05 GMT
Michael Crick is speculating on candidates. Tories: He's mentioning Ryan Henson (prev. Bedford candidate, well connected) Helen Harrison (N Northants cllr, Peter Bone's partner) Emma Best (Waltham Forest cllr) Labour: Alistair Strathern (Waltham Forest cllr) Sam Russell (SW Beds CLP chair) Gemma Widdowfield (local) Sudesh Rani, Mansoor Nasir (Bedford) Sarquib Ali (Bedford) Lib Dem: Chris Adams (centrally connected) Henry Vann (Bedford cllr + former parliamentary candidate) Looking at her social media, Gemma Widdowfield will not be best pleased if not shortlisted. She seems like she would be a good pick. She looks very Bedfordshire.. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 12, 2023 15:43:21 GMT
Looking at her social media, Gemma Widdowfield will not be best pleased if not shortlisted. She seems like she would be a good pick. She looks very Bedfordshire.. In the sense that Nadine was very Bedfordshire? |
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Post by batman on Jun 12, 2023 15:54:44 GMT
Nadine is, on the contrary, very Scouse.
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Post by right on Jun 12, 2023 17:03:25 GMT
Argh!
I could go off on one.
Positively inviting NIMBYism.
That really, bloody annoys me. Short-termist, short-sighted, partisan approaches which hamper this country.
*Deep breaths... Deep breaths*
If it didn't win votes it wouldn't be effective It's a sign of a democracy working, it's just that voters need to think through the consequences. They showed they could with in 2010 and 2015 with government spending and in 2016 with EU reform (failure of). But that isn't the job of major parties per se, that's the job of the rest of us. |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 12, 2023 17:10:14 GMT
Nadine is, on the contrary, very Scouse. All this talk of transplants between the Home Counties and Liverpool makes me miss Merseymike |
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 12, 2023 19:04:08 GMT
We have a formal electoral pact here folks! Dave Holland will stand for Reform:UK in Mid Bedfordshire. They have a deal with Reclaim, who will not stand here, but Laurence Fox (yes him) will stand in Uxbridge. ..or to put it another way...
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 12, 2023 19:18:00 GMT
I do sometimes wonder whether it wouldn't be a bad idea to investigate some of these fringe parties that do clearly have resources for money laundering.
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Post by graham on Jun 12, 2023 19:42:54 GMT
No sign yet of Betting markets having been affected by the MRP poll which had Labour beating the Tories here by 41% to 38%.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 12, 2023 19:45:39 GMT
MRPs are bad enough at picking up local factors in a general election. At a by-election, they're pretty much useless.
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Post by graham on Jun 12, 2023 20:00:01 GMT
MRPs are bad enough at pickup up local factors in a general election. At a by-election, they're pretty much useless. I don't disagree - but they might still have the potential to help get bandwaggons rolling.! Given the level of activity in the seat yesterday, I am surprised Labour has not been touting the figures.
Edit. Just been told it has been touted in party emails and likely to appear on leaflets soon.!
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 12, 2023 20:42:26 GMT
I do sometimes wonder whether it wouldn't be a bad idea to investigate some of these fringe parties that do clearly have resources for money laundering. What makes you say that? All political parties are bought and paid for in some way anyway, so you need to be careful about throwing stones, as you might break your own house. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 12, 2023 23:04:44 GMT
Nadine is, on the contrary, very Scouse. Only when it suits her it seems, like in the stuff she’s been putting out today. Other than that she seems to put on a ‘posh’ accent? Not very scouse, if she was proud of it she’d keep her twang. Not that it helped McVey in Wirral, mind. Yvette Cooper meanwhile seems to ‘put on’ a Yorkshire accent (or at least making her northern vowels very pronounced). I don’t know much about Bedfordshire other than I get the impression this seat/SW Beds has a strong animosity towards Luton and doesn’t want to have anything to do with it (while also not being quite as affluent as say Surrey) For some reason in that sense Dorries seems to be a good fit (can also imagine her in Essex) despite living in Gloucestershire it seems. Not that it matters any more. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 12, 2023 23:09:54 GMT
Yvette Cooper meanwhile seems to ‘put on’ a Yorkshire accent (or at least making her northern vowels very pronounced). I think her father is from Ashton-under-Lyne so it's not a surprise she speaks northern. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jun 13, 2023 0:26:47 GMT
Michael Crick is speculating on candidates. Tories: He's mentioning Ryan Henson (prev. Bedford candidate, well connected) Helen Harrison (N Northants cllr, Peter Bone's partner) Emma Best (Waltham Forest cllr) Labour: Alistair Strathern (Waltham Forest cllr) Sam Russell (SW Beds CLP chair) Gemma Widdowfield (local) Sudesh Rani, Mansoor Nasir (Bedford) Sarquib Ali (Bedford) Lib Dem: Chris Adams (centrally connected) Henry Vann (Bedford cllr + former parliamentary candidate) Emma Best is a London Assembly member also. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 13, 2023 0:36:40 GMT
Yvette Cooper meanwhile seems to ‘put on’ a Yorkshire accent (or at least making her northern vowels very pronounced). I think her father is from Ashton-under-Lyne so it's not a surprise she speaks northern. She is a Scot by birth, so Yorkshire is South for her. All aside, nobody challenges the accent of Londoner Liz Saville-Roberts, although it appears painfully acquired, as, even after all these years, I would have thought that there'd be some London twang (my Mum has liven in the North West for 70 years, but still has the odd London twang, and she was Lancashire-born, but Nan and Grandad moved south after the outbreak of war, as he was in a reserved occupation (railways)). |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 13, 2023 6:48:22 GMT
MRPs are bad enough at picking up local factors in a general election. At a by-election, they're pretty much useless. I don't think that's true. Admittedly I wouldn't trust focaldata and MRP doesn't do by elections. |
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Post by YL on Jun 13, 2023 8:07:53 GMT
MRPs are bad enough at picking up local factors in a general election. At a by-election, they're pretty much useless. I don't think that's true. Admittedly I wouldn't trust focaldata and MRP doesn't do by elections. Focaldata's MRPs look like junk to me (at least in Lib Dem/Con seats) and certainly don't have a big enough sample size to pick up local effects. YouGov's just about do, but at a level where it's not very reliable and can exaggerate them (e.g. Ind gain East Devon). Regardless, no MRP asking about a General Election is going to pick up by-election effects. I seriously doubt any MRP showed the Lib Dems winning North Shropshire or Tiverton & Honiton, or even in second place in them, before the by-elections. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 13, 2023 8:40:45 GMT
Yvette Cooper meanwhile seems to ‘put on’ a Yorkshire accent (or at least making her northern vowels very pronounced). I think her father is from Ashton-under-Lyne so it's not a surprise she speaks northern. She is a Scot by birth, so Yorkshire is South for her. All aside, nobody challenges the accent of Londoner Liz Saville-Roberts, although it appears painfully acquired, as, even after all these years, I would have thought that there'd be some London twang. She grew up in Alton though, so her natural accent would be southern. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 13, 2023 10:04:34 GMT
I don't think that's true. Admittedly I wouldn't trust focaldata and MRP doesn't do by elections. Focaldata's MRPs look like junk to me (at least in Lib Dem/Con seats) and certainly don't have a big enough sample size to pick up local effects. YouGov's just about do, but at a level where it's not very reliable and can exaggerate them (e.g. Ind gain East Devon). Regardless, no MRP asking about a General Election is going to pick up by-election effects. I seriously doubt any MRP showed the Lib Dems winning North Shropshire or Tiverton & Honiton, or even in second place in them, before the by-elections. the independent gain in Devon wasn't far off, I don't think I'd be being unreasonable to suggest that given she's cut the Tory majority in every election so far that had she stood this time she might have made it. The independents success in Devon is probably an example of MRP picking up local factors |
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