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Post by batman on Sept 6, 2023 15:22:19 GMT
Returning to the Lib Dems and Mid Bedfordshire, if the Uxbridge & South Ruislip result tells us anything it certainly tells us that bookies' odds are not an accurate guide to what the result might be - a mistake I was guilty of myself.
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Post by YL on Sept 6, 2023 15:29:55 GMT
Returning to the Lib Dems and Mid Bedfordshire, if the Uxbridge & South Ruislip result tells us anything it certainly tells us that bookies' odds are not an accurate guide to what the result might be - a mistake I was guilty of myself. Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems have now each won a by-election in this parliament when another party was the bookies' favourite. At least Batley & Spen and Uxbridge & South Ruislip were close...
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Post by ricmk on Sept 6, 2023 16:30:24 GMT
Just to note on this thread that Ali Strathern has resigned as a Waltham Forest Councillor. Big call, but it successfully blunts a lot of the attacks against the Labour campaign. I wonder if the close of nominations for his successor might be after October 19th? Would then give him a safety net to return to his council role if he doesn't win the parliamentary by-election.
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Post by graham on Sept 6, 2023 16:31:00 GMT
First I have only voted Labour at 2 of the last 7 GEs - and do not intend doing so next year. I certainly never suggested that Labour would fight Somerton & Frome seriously - but did point out that the Boundary changes transfer Frome to a seat where the party might be competitive and that on account of that it might do some campaigning in that part of the seat. In the event, that did not happen as far as I am aware. Re- North Shropshire I have said that were that by election happening now - rather than in December 2021 - Labour would be likely to take the contest more seriously than it did at the time - ie on the lines of Mid Bedordshire. Moreover, the LD success in Somerton & Frome and North Shropshire DID rely on squezzing the Labour vote to a large extent - so I fail to see my comments as being particularly inconsistent.
May i ask which 2 please? I voted Labour in 2015 and 2017. In both 2001 and 2005 I voted LD.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 6, 2023 16:46:40 GMT
Excellent trolling from Chris Bryant! ...and Digital what?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 17:14:35 GMT
May i ask which 2 please? I voted Labour in 2015 and 2017. In both 2001 and 2005 I voted LD. Oh this is fun 2016: Tory 🌳 for council + PCC then Leave in the EU Ref 2017: Tory 🌳 (a personal vote for Mark Lancaster) 2019: Lib Dem 🔶 (I didn’t vote for Kier Starmer) 2021: Green 🌍 (first round) and Labour 🌹(second round)
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 6, 2023 18:50:41 GMT
Excellent trolling from Chris Bryant! ...and Digital what? DCMS became "Digital, Culture...." etc. The machinery of government seems to use "Digital" as a noun rather than a qualifier.
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Post by ricmk on Sept 6, 2023 19:30:36 GMT
I voted Labour in 2015 and 2017. In both 2001 and 2005 I voted LD. Oh this is fun 2016: Tory 🌳 for council + PCC then Leave in the EU Ref 2017: Tory 🌳 (a personal vote for Mark Lancaster) 2019: Lib Dem 🔶 (I didn’t vote for Kier Starmer) 2021: Green 🌍 (first round) and Labour 🌹(second round) Interesting. I think MK Tories might learn the hard way quite how large Mark Lancaster’s personal vote was, at the next election.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 6, 2023 20:21:28 GMT
DCMS became "Digital, Culture...." etc. The machinery of government seems to use "Digital" as a noun rather than a qualifier. Another 'Don't Know' portfolio from the Don't Know Party who have virtually no established policy on anything at all, yet. They find it less exciting that way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 3:57:18 GMT
Why did Labour pick a guy on Waltham Forest council here? Do they want to win this seat? That’s a stupid move, IMO. Surely there are Beds born and bred people they could run. Labour has three of six MPs in this county, for fuck’s sake.
Here’s the last by-election in the seat (the Liberals did OK):
Mid Bedfordshire by-election, 1960 Party Candidate Votes % ±% Conservative Stephen Hastings 17,503 45.38 -1.41 Labour Bryan Magee 11,281 29.25 -6.17 Liberal Wilfred G. Matthews 9,550 24.76 +6.97 New Conservative C. F. H. Gilliard 235 0.61 New Majority 6,222 16.13 +4.77 Turnout 38,569 71.10 Conservative hold Swing
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 7, 2023 6:06:51 GMT
Why did Labour pick a guy on Waltham Forest council here? Do they want to win this seat? That’s a stupid move, IMO. Surely there are Beds born and bred people they could run. Labour has three of six MPs in this county, for fuck’s sake. Here’s the last by-election in the seat (the Liberals did OK): Mid Bedfordshire by-election, 1960 Party Candidate Votes % ±% Conservative Stephen Hastings 17,503 45.38 -1.41 Labour Bryan Magee 11,281 29.25 -6.17 Liberal Wilfred G. Matthews 9,550 24.76 +6.97 New Conservative C. F. H. Gilliard 235 0.61 New Majority 6,222 16.13 +4.77 Turnout 38,569 71.10 Conservative hold Swing Labour had a top quality candidate on that occasion and one that I particularly liked and valued.
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Post by YL on Sept 7, 2023 6:33:26 GMT
Why did Labour pick a guy on Waltham Forest council here? Do they want to win this seat? That’s a stupid move, IMO. Surely there are Beds born and bred people they could run. Labour has three of six MPs in this county, for fuck’s sake. He grew up in Bedfordshire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 6:45:23 GMT
Why did Labour pick a guy on Waltham Forest council here? Do they want to win this seat? That’s a stupid move, IMO. Surely there are Beds born and bred people they could run. Labour has three of six MPs in this county, for fuck’s sake. He grew up in Bedfordshire. Left it behind, no? Not a great ad for the area, to be honest.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 7, 2023 6:53:46 GMT
Oh this is fun 2016: Tory 🌳 for council + PCC then Leave in the EU Ref 2017: Tory 🌳 (a personal vote for Mark Lancaster) 2019: Lib Dem 🔶 (I didn’t vote for Kier Starmer) 2021: Green 🌍 (first round) and Labour 🌹(second round) Interesting. I think MK Tories might learn the hard way quite how large Mark Lancaster’s personal vote was, at the next election. I am sure you are being sarcastic here because the Labour to Conservative swing in MK North was only 0.6% lower than in MK South in 2019.
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 7, 2023 8:16:18 GMT
DCMS became "Digital, Culture...." etc. The machinery of government seems to use "Digital" as a noun rather than a qualifier. Every job description includes something about ‘digital’ these days in Government. Nobody really knows what it means, but it is meant to sound dynamic. Personally it reminds me of an electronic calculator and says a lot about the people who revel in this kind of management speak nonsense.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 7, 2023 8:19:21 GMT
DCMS became "Digital, Culture...." etc. The machinery of government seems to use "Digital" as a noun rather than a qualifier. Every job description includes something about ‘digital’ these days in Government. Nobody really knows what it means, but it is meant to sound dynamic. Personally it reminds me of an electronic calculator and says a lot about the people who revel in this kind of management speak nonsense.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 7, 2023 8:25:50 GMT
Before she eventually resigned, a petition was launched via the Westminster website entitled "Make MPs who are absent from their constituency and Parliament subject to recall” which during the run of the petition garnered 12,686 signatures of which 1,107 signatures came from the Mid Bedfordshire constituency. Yesterday the government responded to that petition: "The Government does not intend to amend the circumstances in which the Recall of MPs Act 2015 applies; it is for voters to judge their MP's record and work on local issues at a General Election.
[/i][/div] The Recall of MPs Act 2015 sets out the circumstances in which an MP could be subject to a recall petition. The Government believes that these conditions are clear and does not intend to amend the legislation to subject MPs to Recall based on how they perform their role as an elected office holder. The purpose of the 2015 Act is to provide the electorate, outside of the cycle of general elections, the opportunity to make their views known where an MP has: committed an offence that attracts a custodial sentence; been suspended from the House of Commons for the requisite period or; been convicted of an offence under the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009. The Act is not intended as a mechanism for voters to recall their elected representative because they are dissatisfied with their work.[/i][/div] [/i][/div] An MP's primary job should be to represent their constituents, scrutinise legislation and raise local issues with Government Ministers, and engage with constituents and organisations in their area. The proxy voting scheme recognises and supports MPs where a longer term absence is legitimate, such as for parental reasons or serious or long-term illness or injury.[/i][/div] [/i][/div] It is imperative that all MPs act in keeping with the rules and principles set out in the Code of Conduct for Members of Parliament. The House of Commons sets and enforces its own rules, and published the latest Code of Conduct in February of this year. The Code makes clear that holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions, and must make themselves available for scrutiny. MPs must behave in a way that does not bring Parliament into disrepute.[/i][/div] [/i][/div] If it is alleged that an MP has not adhered to the rules, they may be subject to an investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, who reports their findings to the Committee on Standards. The Standards Committee may either recommend remedial action or more serious sanctions for decision by the House. The Commissioner for Standards cannot investigate a Member’s work in Parliament or in their constituency unless this forms part of an investigation into an alleged breach of the rules of conduct.[/i][/div] [/i][/div] If it is felt that an elected representative has not adhered to the clear set of standards expected of public officeholders, the electorate may make their views known at the ballot box at a General Election" In other words, once an MP is elected, they need not even turn up at Westminster in any shape or form, which I think poses the question "In that case, what is the point of the Commons Chamber if the Government has just green lit MP's working from home!" [/quote] Not surprised by this cowardly response. I'm aware that extreme cases make bad law, but if Recall can't be used to being absent MP to account then that's an open invitation for MPs to not represent their constituents. [/div]
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 7, 2023 8:29:30 GMT
He grew up in Bedfordshire. Left it behind, no? Not a great ad for the area, to be honest. Don't be ridiculous. As with most rural/small-town areas, this is a constituency where large numbers of people who grew up there will leave for work, and it's also one that has seen rapid population growth, so relatively few residents will have lived in the area all their lives.
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Post by batman on Sept 7, 2023 8:31:24 GMT
Why did Labour pick a guy on Waltham Forest council here? Do they want to win this seat? That’s a stupid move, IMO. Surely there are Beds born and bred people they could run. Labour has three of six MPs in this county, for fuck’s sake. Here’s the last by-election in the seat (the Liberals did OK): Mid Bedfordshire by-election, 1960 Party Candidate Votes % ±% Conservative Stephen Hastings 17,503 45.38 -1.41 Labour Bryan Magee 11,281 29.25 -6.17 Liberal Wilfred G. Matthews 9,550 24.76 +6.97 New Conservative C. F. H. Gilliard 235 0.61 New Majority 6,222 16.13 +4.77 Turnout 38,569 71.10 Conservative hold Swing funny you should say that, since of course Magee became a Labour MP in the London Borough of Waltham Forest in 1974.
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Post by batman on Sept 7, 2023 8:34:21 GMT
Meanwhile, the latest bookmaker's odds I have seen now show Labour as equal second favourites, drawing level with the Conservatives. Not, of course, that that means much at all, but it is faintly interesting.
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