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Post by manchesterman on Jun 14, 2023 19:19:11 GMT
Ey up ! She's launching her own "enquiry"
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Post by aargauer on Jun 14, 2023 19:26:36 GMT
Ey up ! She's launching her own "enquiry"
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 14, 2023 19:31:54 GMT
I'm wondering whether Mad Nad's delay in resigning will allow her to be talked round by the Tory whips into staying to the general election (with the promise of a peerage perhaps?)? It might be an embarrassing u-turn for her and the Tories, but it would be a strategic disaster for the Lib Dems who've gone "all in" on Mid-Beds. Or maybe it’s to the Lib Dem’s advantage as it gives them more time to build up their infrastructure in the constituency and campaign. It also means the result of the by-election will not be drowned out by the news of the results in Selby and Uxbridge, as it might have been if they were all held on the same day. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jun 14, 2023 19:40:07 GMT
Of course since then Sinn Fein have started attending Royal funerals and coronations… Sinn Fein has been a unionist party ever since accepting the Good Friday Agreement and the fact it enshrined Northern Ireland's position within the UK. |
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Post by graham on Jun 14, 2023 19:44:25 GMT
I'm wondering whether Mad Nad's delay in resigning will allow her to be talked round by the Tory whips into staying to the general election (with the promise of a peerage perhaps?)? It might be an embarrassing u-turn for her and the Tories, but it would be a strategic disaster for the Lib Dems who've gone "all in" on Mid-Beds. Or maybe it’s to the Lib Dem’s advantage as it gives them more time to build up their infrastructure in the constituency and campaign. It also means the result of the by-election will not be drowned out by the news of the results in Selby and Uxbridge, as it might have been if they were all held on the same day. It may end up beng held on the same day as a by election in Rutherglen in October. Were Labour to win the other two by elections next month, that might give them some momentum in Mid Beds.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 14, 2023 19:54:08 GMT
ISTR this was gone into a bit with Gerry Adams. It was concluded that his request to leave the Commons was sufficient despite being worded wrongly and sent to the wrong person and although he made some noises he didn't put in any objection that could invalidate his candidacy for the Dail. Dorries does not seem to be so calculating. In the case of the Sinn Fein MPs, all of those things happened because both sides knew what needed to be done, and both sides understood that the other side needed to do what they did, in the way that they did, without losing face. Gerry Adams wrote a letter to the Speaker to "resign" as an MP, knowing that it was going to be interpreted as a request to the Chancellor to be appointed as the Steward of Whatever. The Chancellor knew that Adams genuinely wanted to resign, so he appointed him as Thingy of Whatever, knowing that Adams would pretend that it was an appointment he didn't want. In the case of Nadine Dorries, she has explicitly said that she wants to remain as an MP for a bit longer, for a specific reason. Thus it would be wrong of the Chancellor to appoint her to be Thingy of Wherever, because the Chancellor knows that she doesn't want it yet. No it wouldn't. The deeply stupid and petulant woman had stated she was resigning 'with immediate effect' and that is it. She has resigned and is not an MP. The silly process is irrelevent fluff. Put her through the process like the Irish MPs. Get on with it. She does not get a second third and fourth chance. Process her out. She made a plain open statement in public and is no longer a proper MP and has not been one for months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 19:59:45 GMT
I'm wondering whether Mad Nad's delay in resigning will allow her to be talked round by the Tory whips into staying to the general election (with the promise of a peerage perhaps?)? It might be an embarrassing u-turn for her and the Tories, but it would be a strategic disaster for the Lib Dems who've gone "all in" on Mid-Beds. Or maybe it’s to the Lib Dem’s advantage as it gives them more time to build up their infrastructure in the constituency and campaign. It also means the result of the by-election will not be drowned out by the news of the results in Selby and Uxbridge, as it might have been if they were all held on the same day. Labour not taking Uxbridge/Selby might enforce a message that only the Lib Dems can beat the Tories. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2023 20:09:12 GMT
Of course since then Sinn Fein have started attending Royal funerals and coronations… Sinn Fein has been a unionist party ever since accepting the Good Friday Agreement and the fact it enshrined Northern Ireland's position within the UK. I wouldn't mention it to them if i were you. I mentioned it once but i think i got away with it.  |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2023 20:16:42 GMT
In the case of the Sinn Fein MPs, all of those things happened because both sides knew what needed to be done, and both sides understood that the other side needed to do what they did, in the way that they did, without losing face. Gerry Adams wrote a letter to the Speaker to "resign" as an MP, knowing that it was going to be interpreted as a request to the Chancellor to be appointed as the Steward of Whatever. The Chancellor knew that Adams genuinely wanted to resign, so he appointed him as Thingy of Whatever, knowing that Adams would pretend that it was an appointment he didn't want. In the case of Nadine Dorries, she has explicitly said that she wants to remain as an MP for a bit longer, for a specific reason. Thus it would be wrong of the Chancellor to appoint her to be Thingy of Wherever, because the Chancellor knows that she doesn't want it yet. No it wouldn't. The deeply stupid and petulant woman had stated she was resigning 'with immediate effect' and that is it. She has resigned and is not an MP. The silly process is irrelevent fluff. Put her through the process like the Irish MPs. Get on with it. She does not get a second third and fourth chance. Process her out. She made a plain open statement in public and is no longer a proper MP and has not been one for months. The difference is that she said that to the media, not to the Chancellor or the Speaker. If the Chancellor started appointing people to positions just because of what some silly funt said on Twitter, it wouldn’t necessarily be a properly functioning system. |
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Post by batman on Jun 14, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
In the case of the Sinn Fein MPs, all of those things happened because both sides knew what needed to be done, and both sides understood that the other side needed to do what they did, in the way that they did, without losing face. Gerry Adams wrote a letter to the Speaker to "resign" as an MP, knowing that it was going to be interpreted as a request to the Chancellor to be appointed as the Steward of Whatever. The Chancellor knew that Adams genuinely wanted to resign, so he appointed him as Thingy of Whatever, knowing that Adams would pretend that it was an appointment he didn't want. In the case of Nadine Dorries, she has explicitly said that she wants to remain as an MP for a bit longer, for a specific reason. Thus it would be wrong of the Chancellor to appoint her to be Thingy of Wherever, because the Chancellor knows that she doesn't want it yet. No it wouldn't. The deeply stupid and petulant woman had stated she was resigning 'with immediate effect' and that is it. She has resigned and is not an MP. The silly process is irrelevent fluff. Put her through the process like the Irish MPs. Get on with it. She does not get a second third and fourth chance. Process her out. She made a plain open statement in public and is no longer a proper MP and has not been one for months. that's completely correct. As David Boothroyd noted, she hasn't spoken or voted in the House for a couple of months. Her continued tenure of parliamentary office cannot be justified in such circumstances. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2023 20:20:48 GMT
I'm wondering whether Mad Nad's delay in resigning will allow her to be talked round by the Tory whips into staying to the general election (with the promise of a peerage perhaps?)? It might be an embarrassing u-turn for her and the Tories, but it would be a strategic disaster for the Lib Dems who've gone "all in" on Mid-Beds. Maybe she's working it up for the plot in her next book. *
* No, I haven't read any of her ouerve.
** No, I'm not implying they are rubbish without having read any of them.
*** maybe we could all buy a copy of one and review it separately.
**** I imagine this is all working for her quite well in terms of sales.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2023 20:21:10 GMT
Ey up ! She's launching her own "enquiry" She’s such a vacuum-tossing wombat-bandit that she’s obviously forgotten what “immediately” means. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2023 20:25:09 GMT
Ey up ! She's launching her own "enquiry" She’s such a vacuum-tossing wombat-bandit that she’s obviously forgotten what “immediately” means. "Lord, let me resign immediately. But not yet". |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2023 20:25:27 GMT
If I was an MP and I wanted to resign, I'd insist on being appointed a Boundary Commissioner. If I wanted to resign as an MP, i would request explicitly to be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds. Not the Manor of Northstead. They usually take it in turns, but I specifically want the one and not the other. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 14, 2023 20:39:21 GMT
Or maybe it’s to the Lib Dem’s advantage as it gives them more time to build up their infrastructure in the constituency and campaign. It also means the result of the by-election will not be drowned out by the news of the results in Selby and Uxbridge, as it might have been if they were all held on the same day. Labour not taking Uxbridge/Selby might enforce a message that only the Lib Dems can beat the Tories. I spy mass herds of unicorns. |
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Post by batman on Jun 14, 2023 20:54:24 GMT
Indeed. By-elections are not generally the same as general elections. Swings to the best-placed opposition party are almost always accentuated when the governing party is doing badly, and in general all trends tend to be exaggerated. Although the swing required to win Selby & Ainsty is not small, it's only slightly larger than the average Labour poll lead is showing and it would be pretty surprising, particularly if the electorate thinks that it is being dragged to the polls unnecessarily (which is the case here), if Labour failed to take either, although obviously the party cannot afford to be complacent. Things are different when an election is unavoidable (generally because of death) although swings in such by-elections can still be very large even if the election is not the fault of the incumbent party (e.g. Chesham & Amersham in this parliament, Eastbourne in 1990). History tells us that any Conservative survival in the 3 seats where a by-election is either pending or expected would be a really big surprise, though of course it would be silly to say it's impossible.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 14, 2023 21:02:13 GMT
I'm wondering whether Mad Nad's delay in resigning will allow her to be talked round by the Tory whips into staying to the general election (with the promise of a peerage perhaps?)? It might be an embarrassing u-turn for her and the Tories, but it would be a strategic disaster for the Lib Dems who've gone "all in" on Mid-Beds. Maybe she's working it up for the plot in her next book. * * No, I haven't read any of her ouerve. ** No, I'm not implying they are rubbish without having read any of them. *** maybe we could all buy a copy of one and review it separately.
**** I imagine this is all working for her quite well in terms of sales.
I've seen excerpts. Please don't do this to us. Please. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 14, 2023 21:08:57 GMT
If I was an MP and I wanted to resign, I'd insist on being appointed a Boundary Commissioner. If I wanted to resign as an MP, i would request explicitly to be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds. Not the Manor of Northstead. They usually take it in turns, but I specifically want the one and not the other. I'd want to be Steward of the Manor of Kennington, Surrey. Does it get me a discount off beer in the pavilion at the Oval? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2023 21:25:46 GMT
If I was an MP and I wanted to resign, I'd insist on being appointed a Boundary Commissioner. If I wanted to resign as an MP, i would request explicitly to be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds. Not the Manor of Northstead. They usually take it in turns, but I specifically want the one and not the other. The last time the Stewardships failed to alternate was in 1954. William Cuthbert (Arundel and Shoreham) CH on 12 February, followed by Sir Sidney Marshall (Sutton and Cheam) CH on 3 October. The reason was probably that a warrant of appointment for the Manor of Northstead was drawn up for Peter Baker, who had suffered a breakdown and was in a mental hospital - due to the collapse of his publishing company, which later led to his imprisonment for fraud. Before then the last failure to alternate was 1928-29, again with two consecutive CH appointments (Sir Frederick Sykes 26 June 1928, Sir William Jowitt 12 July 1929). |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 14, 2023 21:25:56 GMT
If I wanted to resign as an MP, i would request explicitly to be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds. Not the Manor of Northstead. They usually take it in turns, but I specifically want the one and not the other. I'd want to be Steward of the Manor of Kennington, Surrey. Does it get me a discount off beer in the pavilion at the Oval? |
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