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Post by batman on Jun 14, 2023 12:23:21 GMT
Damn, that’s as patronising a post as I’ve seen on here! She’s staying in Parliament a month, not dancing naked in the Commons to a statue of Buddha Boris. I’m not on her wing of the party; I don’t share her more socially conservative views; I’m not a Boris fanboy; indeed I voted for Hunt which she would probably consider beyond the pale… But tbh I think some people here need to get over themselves. With Nadine Dorries it seems a particular issue with some of our Lib Dem members. So you don’t like her. You don’t like her views. You think she’s thick. You think she’s vulgar. You think she’s a philistine. She’s not high brow. She had the temerity to be a Culture Secretary who wasn’t in the pocket of the vested interests. Above all her greatest crime is staying loyal to Boris. Much of it just strikes me as a snobbery. She’s going. Like anyone who voluntarily resigns from their job she is getting a say in when that will be. Demanding she ‘go now’ because she grates on you is just childish. I'd agree with you about the tone of some attacks on her and have confessed before to having some time for her - she represents a particular kind of view quite well. She's made the best of her abilities and doesn't claim to be anyone other than who we see. Of course I disagree with most of what she says but that isn't the point. But on this she's being foolish. Her original statement said that she was resigning "with immediate effect". For whatever reason that isn't what she's doing and she'll attract criticism suggesting a variety of unflattering reasons for that decision. I agree with that apart from the bit about having some time for her, which I have to confess I don't.
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Post by peterl on Jun 14, 2023 12:23:25 GMT
But is social media really needed anyway? Why not revert to the campaigning styles of Wilson , Heath - indeed even Kinnock? because that's not how people consume information anymore. Most people get their news now from social media. Plus you can target advertising on social media better than you can on TV or in newspapers Can you? In the May elections, we heard from a member of this forum from Southampton who was setting Green messages on one of these social platforms intended for voters in particular wards of Bournemouth. Not very targeted really. On the other hand, an advert in the Bournemouth Echo would not have been wasted on voters 30 miles away.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 14, 2023 12:27:53 GMT
because that's not how people consume information anymore. Most people get their news now from social media. Plus you can target advertising on social media better than you can on TV or in newspapers Can you? In the May elections, we heard from a member of this forum from Southampton who was setting Green messages on one of these social platforms intended for voters in particular wards of Bournemouth. Not very targeted really. On the other hand, an advert in the Bournemouth Echo would not have been wasted on voters 30 miles away. depends on what the greens use but I'm hoping to learn how to use targeted advertising. I've been given a quick brief how to
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 14, 2023 12:44:02 GMT
Why stop there? Does the chancellor need her permission to appoint her as steward and bailiff? He could appoint Sir Keir to the other one. Just for laughs. 😉 Rishi daren't in case Labour replace him with someone good ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by graham on Jun 14, 2023 12:45:08 GMT
Some politicians would flourish in the traditional public meeting environment. Wilson was brilliant at dealing with Tory hecklers trying to interrupt him during the 1964 and 1966 elections. It certainly boosted him with the wider public. I always thought that Kinnock would have benefitted from that setting but by his day meetings had already become 'ticket only' affairs and had lost much of their spontoneity.
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 14, 2023 13:30:10 GMT
So if , as seems likely, this by-election dosent happen on the same day as Johnson & Adams elections, where do we think [addressing specifically, but not exclusively, the yellow team] the Lib Dems will target the greater part of their efforts and resources - U&SR or S&A?
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 14, 2023 13:33:46 GMT
because that's not how people consume information anymore. Most people get their news now from social media. Plus you can target advertising on social media better than you can on TV or in newspapers Can you? In the May elections, we heard from a member of this forum from Southampton who was setting Green messages on one of these social platforms intended for voters in particular wards of Bournemouth. Not very targeted really. On the other hand, an advert in the Bournemouth Echo would not have been wasted on voters 30 miles away. As the Echo has a circulation of less than 6,400, I bet the social media reached more people in Bournemouth.
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Post by tamar on Jun 14, 2023 13:35:46 GMT
Perhaps potential candidates would be well advised to refrain from using social media at all - at least under their real names. Why not campaign 1970s style - rely on daily news conferences etc? I do wonder if we are going to see more anonymous accounts from political hopefuls for exactly this reason. I think that's already starting to happen, an awful lot of twitter edgelords on all sides often turn out to have Standard Middle-Class Political Backgrounds when doxxed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 13:53:46 GMT
So if , as seems likely, this by-election dosent happen on the same day as Johnson & Adams elections, where do we think [addressing specifically, but not exclusively, the yellow team] the Lib Dems will target the greater part of their efforts and resources - U&SR or S&A? In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. From Twitter I understand that the York Lib Dems have started canvassing Selby.
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Post by maxque on Jun 14, 2023 14:04:24 GMT
because that's not how people consume information anymore. Most people get their news now from social media. Plus you can target advertising on social media better than you can on TV or in newspapers Can you? In the May elections, we heard from a member of this forum from Southampton who was setting Green messages on one of these social platforms intended for voters in particular wards of Bournemouth. Not very targeted really. On the other hand, an advert in the Bournemouth Echo would not have been wasted on voters 30 miles away. What's the median age of the Bournemouth Echo reader? 70?
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Post by maxque on Jun 14, 2023 14:05:13 GMT
So if , as seems likely, this by-election dosent happen on the same day as Johnson & Adams elections, where do we think [addressing specifically, but not exclusively, the yellow team] the Lib Dems will target the greater part of their efforts and resources - U&SR or S&A? In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. From Twitter I understand that the York Lib Dems have started canvassing Selby. Given local election results in York, that may be a good news for Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 14:12:43 GMT
In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. From Twitter I understand that the York Lib Dems have started canvassing Selby. Given local election results in York, that may be a good news for Labour. They just lost 2 seats.
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Post by tamar on Jun 14, 2023 14:14:29 GMT
In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. I have questions.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 14, 2023 14:15:06 GMT
In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. From Twitter I understand that the York Lib Dems have started canvassing Selby. Given local election results in York, that may be a good news for Labour. You took the words right out of my mouth. Also, it shows the paucity of Lib Dem resources in the constituency itself - which appear to be longstanding. I was never canvassed by the Liberal Democrats in my time in the constituency, which wasn't true of Labour or Conservatives.
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Post by tamar on Jun 14, 2023 14:16:00 GMT
Given local election results in York, that may be a good news for Labour. They just lost 2 seats. Aye, if anything it's the York Greens we'll be really praying for.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 14, 2023 14:16:42 GMT
In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. I have questions. It suggests Richard Kemp has little idea of the constituency.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 14, 2023 14:51:47 GMT
So if , as seems likely, this by-election dosent happen on the same day as Johnson & Adams elections, where do we think [addressing specifically, but not exclusively, the yellow team] the Lib Dems will target the greater part of their efforts and resources - U&SR or S&A? In the LibDem podcast Richard Kemp said that the Lib Dems could do very well in Selby. From Twitter I understand that the York Lib Dems have started canvassing Selby. Selby is the Lib Dems' weakest area in North Yorkshire-they are not likely to do well at all.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 14, 2023 15:08:29 GMT
Why stop there? Does the chancellor need her permission to appoint her as steward and bailiff? ISTR this was gone into a bit with Gerry Adams. It was concluded that his request to leave the Commons was sufficient despite being worded wrongly and sent to the wrong person and although he made some noises he didn't put in any objection that could invalidate his candidacy for the Dail. Dorries does not seem to be so calculating. I think section 8 of the 1975 Act might also come into play if the Chancellor tried to get rid of a member against their will: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1975/24/section/8/enacted
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Post by bigfatron on Jun 14, 2023 15:20:36 GMT
I'm not sure Richard Kemp's view is widely held amongst Lib Dems... ;-)
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Post by willpower3 on Jun 14, 2023 15:29:33 GMT
Perhaps potential candidates would be well advised to refrain from using social media at all - at least under their real names. Why not campaign 1970s style - rely on daily news conferences etc? I'd say most people would be well-advised not to use their real names. I'm not particularly active on social media as a poster, but some of my posts have gotten tens of thousands of views. Good chance that there is a nutter or two within that who would be willing to destroy the life of anyone who dares to post anything they disagree with, not necessarily even on politics. Stating your location along with your name is particularly ill-advised.
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