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Post by iainbhx on Jun 14, 2023 5:40:51 GMT
Newsnight reporting that Nadine Dorries will not be actually vacating her seat until the eve of the summer recess, partly so she can complain about the blocking of her peerage, partly to cause trouble for Sunak by prolonging the byelection campaigning in Mid Beds. She's going to go full Golden Cleric at some point isn't she? Probably in a speech about the findings of the Privs Committee. "And now, we move onto liars" |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2023 8:45:42 GMT
If you want an example of cognitive dissonance in British politics, watch as Nadine Dorries' total inability to comprehend that Boris Johnson may possibly have said something that was not 100% true hits reality head on.
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Post by andrewp on Jun 14, 2023 8:46:11 GMT
Michael Crick is speculating on candidates. Tories: He's mentioning Ryan Henson (prev. Bedford candidate, well connected) Helen Harrison (N Northants cllr, Peter Bone's partner) Emma Best (Waltham Forest cllr) Labour: Alistair Strathern (Waltham Forest cllr) Sam Russell (SW Beds CLP chair) Gemma Widdowfield (local) Sudesh Rani, Mansoor Nasir (Bedford) Sarquib Ali (Bedford) Lib Dem: Chris Adams (centrally connected) Henry Vann (Bedford cllr + former parliamentary candidate) Looking at her social media, Gemma Widdowfield will not be best pleased if not shortlisted. Well predicted |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 14, 2023 8:55:08 GMT
I wonder if anyone is trying to talk sense to Nadine Dorries. Surely she must have family or friends who can try to tell her not to humiliate herself on the Johnson shrine any more.
She’s an infatuated woman. Someone needs to tell her that the man she idolised strung her along, he never really loved her and was always cheating and will never commit himself to you, or anyone else.
‘ He’s not worth it Nadine’. Don’t humiliate yourself any more, don’t make some ridiculous speech in the House of Commons, just accept that he lied to you, you’ve lost your last dignity, either resign and drink a couple of gallons of Prosecco and forget about him and start a new life or rescind your resignation and spend the next 18 months quietly.
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Post by matureleft on Jun 14, 2023 9:11:07 GMT
Looking at her social media, Gemma Widdowfield will not be best pleased if not shortlisted. Well predicted Yes, but glancing through her social media I'd wonder how she'd cope with the media assault that a by-election would involve. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 14, 2023 9:14:19 GMT
Yes, but glancing through her social media I'd wonder how she'd cope with the media assault that a by-election would involve. Absolutely, which is what prompted me to make my original observation. |
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Post by graham on Jun 14, 2023 9:22:09 GMT
Perhaps potential candidates would be well advised to refrain from using social media at all - at least under their real names. Why not campaign 1970s style - rely on daily news conferences etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 9:28:43 GMT
I wonder if anyone is trying to talk sense to Nadine Dorries. Surely she must have family or friends who can try to tell her not to humiliate herself on the Johnson shrine any more. She’s an infatuated woman. Someone needs to tell her that the man she idolised strung her along, he never really loved her and was always cheating and will never commit himself to you, or anyone else. ‘ He’s not worth it Nadine’. Don’t humiliate yourself any more, don’t make some ridiculous speech in the House of Commons, just accept that he lied to you, you’ve lost your last dignity, either resign and drink a couple of gallons of Prosecco and forget about him and start a new life or rescind your resignation and spend the next 18 months quietly. Damn, that’s as patronising a post as I’ve seen on here! She’s staying in Parliament a month, not dancing naked in the Commons to a statue of Buddha Boris. I’m not on her wing of the party; I don’t share her more socially conservative views; I’m not a Boris fanboy; indeed I voted for Hunt which she would probably consider beyond the pale… But tbh I think some people here need to get over themselves. With Nadine Dorries it seems a particular issue with some of our Lib Dem members. So you don’t like her. You don’t like her views. You think she’s thick. You think she’s vulgar. You think she’s a philistine. She’s not high brow. She had the temerity to be a Culture Secretary who wasn’t in the pocket of the vested interests. Above all her greatest crime is staying loyal to Boris. Much of it just strikes me as a snobbery. She’s going. Like anyone who voluntarily resigns from their job she is getting a say in when that will be. Demanding she ‘go now’ because she grates on you is just childish. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 14, 2023 9:45:54 GMT
I wonder if anyone is trying to talk sense to Nadine Dorries. Surely she must have family or friends who can try to tell her not to humiliate herself on the Johnson shrine any more. She’s an infatuated woman. Someone needs to tell her that the man she idolised strung her along, he never really loved her and was always cheating and will never commit himself to you, or anyone else. ‘ He’s not worth it Nadine’. Don’t humiliate yourself any more, don’t make some ridiculous speech in the House of Commons, just accept that he lied to you, you’ve lost your last dignity, either resign and drink a couple of gallons of Prosecco and forget about him and start a new life or rescind your resignation and spend the next 18 months quietly. Damn, that’s as patronising a post as I’ve seen on here! She’s staying in Parliament a month, not dancing naked in the Commons to a statue of Buddha Boris. I’m not on her wing of the party; I don’t share her more socially conservative views; I’m not a Boris fanboy; indeed I voted for Hunt which she would probably consider beyond the pale… But tbh I think some people here need to get over themselves. With Nadine Dorries it seems a particular issue with some of our Lib Dem members. So you don’t like her. You don’t like her views. You think she’s thick. You think she’s vulgar. You think she’s a philistine. She’s not high brow. She had the temerity to be a Culture Secretary who wasn’t in the pocket of the vested interests. Above all her greatest crime is staying loyal to Boris. Much of it just strikes me as a snobbery. She’s going. Like anyone who voluntarily resigns from their job she is getting a say in when that will be. Demanding she ‘go now’ because she grates on you is just childish. I'd agree with you about the tone of some attacks on her and have confessed before to having some time for her - she represents a particular kind of view quite well. She's made the best of her abilities and doesn't claim to be anyone other than who we see. Of course I disagree with most of what she says but that isn't the point. But on this she's being foolish. Her original statement said that she was resigning "with immediate effect". For whatever reason that isn't what she's doing and she'll attract criticism suggesting a variety of unflattering reasons for that decision. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 14, 2023 10:02:29 GMT
Is Gemma Widdowfield an approved candidate for Labour?
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 14, 2023 10:13:58 GMT
I wonder if anyone is trying to talk sense to Nadine Dorries. Surely she must have family or friends who can try to tell her not to humiliate herself on the Johnson shrine any more. She’s an infatuated woman. Someone needs to tell her that the man she idolised strung her along, he never really loved her and was always cheating and will never commit himself to you, or anyone else. ‘ He’s not worth it Nadine’. Don’t humiliate yourself any more, don’t make some ridiculous speech in the House of Commons, just accept that he lied to you, you’ve lost your last dignity, either resign and drink a couple of gallons of Prosecco and forget about him and start a new life or rescind your resignation and spend the next 18 months quietly. Damn, that’s as patronising a post as I’ve seen on here! She’s staying in Parliament a month, not dancing naked in the Commons to a statue of Buddha Boris. I’m not on her wing of the party; I don’t share her more socially conservative views; I’m not a Boris fanboy; indeed I voted for Hunt which she would probably consider beyond the pale… But tbh I think some people here need to get over themselves. With Nadine Dorries it seems a particular issue with some of our Lib Dem members. So you don’t like her. You don’t like her views. You think she’s thick. You think she’s vulgar. You think she’s a philistine. She’s not high brow. She had the temerity to be a Culture Secretary who wasn’t in the pocket of the vested interests. Above all her greatest crime is staying loyal to Boris. Much of it just strikes me as a snobbery. She’s going. Like anyone who voluntarily resigns from their job she is getting a say in when that will be. Demanding she ‘go now’ because she grates on you is just childish. That is a kind and decent post but she really is not worth it and has brought this down upon herself by both acting out of pique and not thinking before speaking or acting which is her very norm. To have chosen her as Culture Secretary was an abuse of power and a slap in the face by the quite philistine Johnson to appoint a low culture vulgarian know-nothing to that post. It was a calculated insult and done for a purpose and received as such by those whom it was intended to offend. It offended me and estranged me from both of them. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 14, 2023 10:21:04 GMT
Hadn’t she already effectively ‘resigned’ (while taking the salary of course) since Johnson left right? Having not made any speeches (does anyone know if she did any constituency work since then either?) and instead switched to focussing on her TV presenting career. Someone did a Vox pop around that time and the reception to her telly programmes wasn’t great (not scientific, I know). So the damage had already been done, now I guess she feels what’s the harm in another day/week/month of staying on, being paid - on top of the considerable income from Talk News GB or whatever it’s called…
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Post by graham on Jun 14, 2023 10:37:26 GMT
Dorries appears determined to maximise any damage to Sunak.If she does not resign until the Summer Recess a writ for the by election cannot be moved until Parliament returns in September - effectively delaying the by election until October. This obviously gives the Opposition parties time to organise in Mid Beds , and also potentially creates a dilemma for the Tories re timing of the two other by elections. Whilst writs can be moved for July by elections in both seats, does Sunak want to be faced with more than one cycle of bad headlines?
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Post by ricmk on Jun 14, 2023 10:45:18 GMT
Couple of thoughts:
1. I actually thought Dorries did OK as a health minister, in the pandemic. Her background and attitudes seemed to contribute.
2. It was as Culture Secretary she was a disaster ground - culture wars central and didn't deliver anything she was supposed to, never looked like getting to grips with the issues with the Online Harms bill.
3. It feels she's already given up as an MP, makes it easier for the opposition to talk about Tories taking you for granted when it's very obvious the last MP did.
4. If she's in all out sabotage mode, must be a danger she loses the whip? Obviously not doing her job, attacking the Government, spending all her time on TV. Surprised the opposition aren't calling for this.
5. She's making Sunak look like a strong leader facing down the extremists and whingers. Not what she's intending - I agree with the point above about her taking wise counsel and it wouldn't surprise me if she changes her mind before too long.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 14, 2023 11:22:47 GMT
If she's in all out sabotage mode, must be a danger she loses the whip? Why stop there? Does the chancellor need her permission to appoint her as steward and bailiff? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 11:35:26 GMT
If she's in all out sabotage mode, must be a danger she loses the whip? Why stop there? Does the chancellor need her permission to appoint her as steward and bailiff? He could appoint Sir Keir to the other one. Just for laughs. 😉 |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 14, 2023 11:53:11 GMT
If she's in all out sabotage mode, must be a danger she loses the whip? Why stop there? Does the chancellor need her permission to appoint her as steward and bailiff? ISTR this was gone into a bit with Gerry Adams. It was concluded that his request to leave the Commons was sufficient despite being worded wrongly and sent to the wrong person and although he made some noises he didn't put in any objection that could invalidate his candidacy for the Dail. Dorries does not seem to be so calculating. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 14, 2023 11:59:45 GMT
Perhaps potential candidates would be well advised to refrain from using social media at all - at least under their real names. Why not campaign 1970s style - rely on daily news conferences etc? I do wonder if we are going to see more anonymous accounts from political hopefuls for exactly this reason. The alternative is to grow up and accept the "instant" nature of social media means people may say stuff they later regret, but we are still some way from that I fear. |
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Post by graham on Jun 14, 2023 12:05:56 GMT
Perhaps potential candidates would be well advised to refrain from using social media at all - at least under their real names. Why not campaign 1970s style - rely on daily news conferences etc? I do wonder if we are going to see more anonymous accounts from political hopefuls for exactly this reason. The alternative is to grow up and accept the "instant" nature of social media means people may say stuff they later regret, but we are still some way from that I fear. But is social media really needed anyway? Why not revert to the campaigning styles of Wilson , Heath - indeed even Kinnock? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 14, 2023 12:18:51 GMT
I do wonder if we are going to see more anonymous accounts from political hopefuls for exactly this reason. The alternative is to grow up and accept the "instant" nature of social media means people may say stuff they later regret, but we are still some way from that I fear. But is social media really needed anyway? Why not revert to the campaigning styles of Wilson , Heath - indeed even Kinnock? because that's not how people consume information anymore. Most people get their news now from social media. Plus you can target advertising on social media better than you can on TV or in newspapers |
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