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Post by observer on Jul 23, 2023 13:10:07 GMT
What are the essential differences between PP and Vox? Any chance of them combining as a single party? Is the support regional or class based for each? Are there defining divisions of outlook and policy emphasis? Which party do you feel would suit 'Me' best? At present I am leaning more stronly to Vox but on a critical lack of information. I would have been a strong and confirmed supporter of Franco at all stages of his regime. Vox are to the PP what UKIP was to the Tories. Vox has been pointing out that the PP and PSOE fight like cats and dogs when in front of a Spanish audience...but vote together when out of the country and the natives aren't watching. |
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 13:15:21 GMT
Higher than expected turnout this year. 40.58% of the electorate had voted by 2pm, 2.56% more than in 2019. This does not count all the postal votes which have been received, which is over 2.47 million ballots and ~120% more than 2019. This has sent a few jitters through the right block, who, it seems, have been counting on a depressed PSOE vote. Feijoó in particular is sounding defeated.
Some expectation management already in play, with the PP claiming that there is a voter suppression campaign in full swing as there has been a breakdown in the train service between Valencia and Madrid.
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 13:26:57 GMT
What are the essential differences between PP and Vox? Any chance of them combining as a single party? Is the support regional or class based for each? Are there defining divisions of outlook and policy emphasis? Which party do you feel would suit 'Me' best? At present I am leaning more stronly to Vox but on a critical lack of information. I would have been a strong and confirmed supporter of Franco at all stages of his regime. Vox are to the PP what UKIP was to the Tories. Vox has been pointing out that the PP and PSOE fight like cats and dogs when in front of a Spanish audience...but vote together when out of the country and the natives aren't watching. I think Vox would be right up your street carlton43. They're deeply sceptical of regionalism and want a more centralised state. They're highly socially conservative, having very little truck with social liberalism. |
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 15:27:58 GMT
Some interesting regional breakdown of turnout. It's up basically everywhere other than Madrid, Catalonia, Basque Country and Melilla. Turnout is particularly high in more southern regions, which may have something to do with the weather. Catalonia had super high turnout in 2019, so the low turnout there could just be a reversion to the norm, rather than something else. I suspect Madrid's slightly lower turnout may be due to particularly high numbers of postal votes there, as people escape the city in July for their holidays. I don't know why it should be lower in the Basque Country. The increase in turnout in the north has been more modest, probably because up here the weather is much more clement.
The next turnout figures should be published in about half an hour, so it'll be interesting to see how things have progressed over the afternoon.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 23, 2023 16:11:31 GMT
Vox want to take back Gibraltar actively and aggressively, so of course a Brexiteer would love them since they've happily tried to shaft The Rock once already.
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Post by iain on Jul 23, 2023 16:19:41 GMT
6pm turnout is 53.1%, now down by 3.8% on last time. Given the heat it may pick up a bit in the evening though.
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Post by observer on Jul 23, 2023 17:26:52 GMT
Vox want to take back Gibraltar actively and aggressively, so of course a Brexiteer would love them since they've happily tried to shaft The Rock once already. When was that? |
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Post by neilm on Jul 23, 2023 17:33:52 GMT
I've just got back from a Spanish BBQ. No-one mentioned the election. The only political comment was a slightly hostile joke about immigration which...the joke...was well received. Nothing else. Campaigning has been very low key. We usually get lots of posters on bus stops. Very few this time. There are the usual posters attached to lampposts. No knocks on the door. No locally delivered leaflets. It's very hard to call. I suspect the PP will just about end up in power with Vox support. That's basically guesswork though. A Spanish barbecue sounds delicious. When I lived in Spain I got invited to 'taste the fruits of the pig', which turned out to be a fantastic afternoon and evening long barbecue. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 23, 2023 17:52:00 GMT
Vox want to take back Gibraltar actively and aggressively, so of course a Brexiteer would love them since they've happily tried to shaft The Rock once already. When was that? I'm not quite sure what Foggy means by "tried to shaft the Rock" but this details their attitude to Gibraltar. It mentions that party activists unfurled a huge Spanish flag on the rock, but unhelpfully does not provide a date for this.
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 23, 2023 17:54:14 GMT
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 18:19:21 GMT
I'm not quite sure what Foggy means by "tried to shaft the Rock" but this details their attitude to Gibraltar. It mentions that party activists unfurled a huge Spanish flag on the rock, but unhelpfully does not provide a date for this.
Presumably he means that Brexiteers shafted Gibraltar. |
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 18:20:05 GMT
Counting has started in most of Spain. The first results will be announced in about 40 minutes, once polls close in the Canary Islands.
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Post by andrea on Jul 23, 2023 18:23:37 GMT
Exit polls
RTVE
PP 145-150 seats
PS 113-118
Sumar 28-31
VOX 24-27
Others 32-34
Telecinco
PP 150 seats
PS 112
VOX 31
Sumar 27
Others 30
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 18:24:59 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 23, 2023 18:25:30 GMT
Vox are to the PP what UKIP was to the Tories. Vox has been pointing out that the PP and PSOE fight like cats and dogs when in front of a Spanish audience...but vote together when out of the country and the natives aren't watching. I think Vox would be right up your street carlton43. They're deeply sceptical of regionalism and want a more centralised state. They're highly socially conservative, having very little truck with social liberalism. They were described to me by a Catalan barmaid that works in Horbury as out and out fascists that hate women and gay people . Really a nasty bunch . |
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Post by observer on Jul 23, 2023 18:34:43 GMT
I think Vox would be right up your street carlton43. They're deeply sceptical of regionalism and want a more centralised state. They're highly socially conservative, having very little truck with social liberalism. They were described to me by a Catalan barmaid that works in Horbury as out and out fascists that hate women and gay people . Really a nasty bunch . Perhaps she believes everything she believes in the rotten media. According to large parts of the media people who disagree with official narrative on immigration, coronavirus, global warming etc etc etc are 'far right'. I live in Spain and the TV news channels here pump it out literally every 5-10 seconds |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jul 23, 2023 18:44:40 GMT
I think Vox would be right up your street carlton43. They're deeply sceptical of regionalism and want a more centralised state. They're highly socially conservative, having very little truck with social liberalism. They were described to me by a Catalan barmaid that works in Horbury as out and out fascists that hate women and gay people . Really a nasty bunch . 10 out of 10 for your gullibility |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 23, 2023 18:49:41 GMT
I also wouldn't place much store on her anaylsis of UK politics posted on the VoteSpain forum, when her assesments of UK political parties are what she was told by some dickhead who drinks in the pub she works in.
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Post by iain on Jul 23, 2023 18:55:35 GMT
Even by the standards of the European populist right, Vox are a pretty unpleasant bunch (from my point of view obviously). They combine their boilerplate anti immigrant / LGBT agenda with other elements from the religious right and defence of Francoism.
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Post by WJ on Jul 23, 2023 19:04:09 GMT
Final turnout: 68.23%.
6% of the vote in so far.
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