Terry Weldon
Lib Dem
Councilor, Waverley BC and Haslemere TC. Lifelong liberal, in S Africa and now UK
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Post by Terry Weldon on Nov 30, 2022 17:58:07 GMT
Agreed that these comments are relatively mild, and many people will find them uncontentious - but it's not a good look for a candidate to be bad-mouthing their party leader and possible future leader.
But - there's more. I've now learned that there are several, far more controverial statements on his face book. Our side found these some time back, but took a deliberate decision not to go on the attack over them. However, some residents found the post, and started to share with worried comments on their own social media - including a local community board. Local Tories became aware that residents were asking awkward questions, so they stepped in with the suspension. They will have been aware of all the nasty posts - but chose to go public with only those two.
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Post by phil156 on Nov 30, 2022 19:03:11 GMT
They are counting on the night except Norfolk & West Lothian which count Friday morning
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 30, 2022 20:01:57 GMT
More on the Tory late withdrawal, from "Waverley Web". waverleyweb.org/2022/11/30/endorsed-by-the-chancellor-and-sacked-by-south-west-surrey-conservatives/"Today SW Surrey Conservatives have announced they are suspending their By-Election candidate Ian Mitchell due to his inappropriate social media posts. He said Mr Hunt was a “fence-sitter” on the EU, called the new prime minister Rishi Sunak a “tax dodging billionaire”, and has called the UK’s foreign aid budget, immigration issues and benefits system “a drain on society”. Just days ago, Hunt wrote to Chiddingfold residents encouraging them to vote for a man who had previously been rude about him, and about the PM. What does this say about their due diligence?
Don't understand the need for this suspension, what is inappropriate enough about any of those statements to warrant such a suspension?
Well attacking your own party while expecting members of it to canvass for you to get elected, hardly stands as a sensible campaign strategy. |
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john07
Labour & Co-operative
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Post by john07 on Nov 30, 2022 22:18:06 GMT
Don't understand the need for this suspension, what is inappropriate enough about any of those statements to warrant such a suspension?
Well attacking your own party while expecting members of it to canvass for you to get elected, hardly stands as a sensible campaign strategy. He made some decent points though! |
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Post by phil156 on Dec 1, 2022 0:27:41 GMT
I hate waiting for 1 result roll on tomorrow come on Surrey
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timmullen1
Labour
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 1, 2022 1:05:35 GMT
LD GAIN in Sunbury Common and Ashford Common
Harry BOPARAI (LD) 735
Helen Elizabeth COUCHMAN (TUSC) 63
Naz ISLAM (Con) 720
Khalid MUSTAFA (Lab) 383
Rory O’BRIEN (Reform UK) 144
Turnout 17.5%
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maxque
Non-Aligned
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Post by maxque on Dec 1, 2022 1:16:12 GMT
LD GAIN in Sunbury Common and Ashford Common Harry BOPARAI (LD) 735 Helen Elizabeth COUCHMAN (TUSC) 63 Naz ISLAM (Con) 720 Khalid MUSTAFA (Lab) 383 Rory O’BRIEN (Reform UK) 144 Turnout 17.5% LD 35.9% (+17.1) Con 35.2% (-11.4) Lab 18.7% (+2.6) RUK 7.0% (+2.5) TUSC 3.1% |
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Post by tonyhill on Dec 1, 2022 6:18:32 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win?
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Post by arnieg on Dec 1, 2022 6:53:31 GMT
called the new prime minister Rishi Sunak a “tax dodging billionaire” can't see the issue w/ regards to that one? We can't have politicians telling the truth if will damage their "brand" |
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Tony Otim
Green
Suffering from Brexistential Despair
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Post by Tony Otim on Dec 1, 2022 9:12:23 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win? Probably given the extreme closeness of the result, but how many of those Reform voters would have voted Conservative in the absence of Reform and how many wouldn't have bothered, or voted Lib Dem to punish the Tories or even TUSC as a NOTA vote? We can only guess... |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 1, 2022 9:33:57 GMT
The Lib Dem in Sunbury Common & Ashford Common appears to have been on a political journey over recent years. Assuming he's the same person, he apparently did a parliamentary candidates training in 2015 as a Unite rep, then in 2016 in a referendum debate he confronted David Cameron about levels of immigration, then in 2018 he was living & standing in Hounslow for the Conservatives and then the following year was the RefUK candidate in Hayes and Harlington. He has just added then a statement on the Democracy Club Candidates database that is not particularly Lib Dem in nature and continues the anti-open borders theme along with a dose of anti-crime rhetoric. There are journeys, and then there are journeysAnd now he starts another stage in his journey with a 15 vote margin. |
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ricmk
Lib Dem
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Post by ricmk on Dec 1, 2022 10:13:08 GMT
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Post by batman on Dec 1, 2022 10:26:34 GMT
This result must be a major relief to the local Lib Dems after failing in 2 previous by-elections in the constituency. Labour put some effort in, but have not consistently worked the ward and didn't expect to win, and Sunbury Common has been a fairly fruitful area for the LDs in the past. There are very few wards in Spelthorne with absolutely no Labour potential, it's a matter of which ones to target and the resources of the local CLP have never been that huge, which is part of the reason why Labour even lost the Stanwell wards as often as they did - the CC division on the other hand has been held for decades, partly because they've always had substantial outside help for CC elections as some neighbouring boroughs, e.g. Slough & also nearby London boroughs, don't have elections which clash with them. And also because the Labour county councillor is popular & hardworking.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 1, 2022 10:49:31 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win? Probably given the extreme closeness of the result, but how many of those Reform voters would have voted Conservative in the absence of Reform and how many wouldn't have bothered, or voted Lib Dem to punish the Tories or even TUSC as a NOTA vote? We can only guess... Especially since the LD candidate isn't necessarily out of step with Reform voters on a lot of key issues. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Dec 1, 2022 11:28:58 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win? I can't remember the exact details but I think there was a by-election in Basildon about a year ago where we (supposedly) helped Labour win. |
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Tony Otim
Green
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Post by Tony Otim on Dec 1, 2022 11:44:14 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win? I can't remember the exact details but I think there was a by-election in Basildon about a year ago where we (supposedly) helped Labour win. Lee Chapel North last November - labour won by 56, Reform got 98. I strongly suspect that Labour would have won anyway as I'd guess a reasonable amount of Reform votes might have gone to the Community Residents Party. |
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 1, 2022 11:58:09 GMT
Is this the first clear example of Reform damaging the Conservatives sufficiently to allow the opposition to win? Though the Labour vote not just holding up but increasing meant the Tories almost pulled it off. A mirror image of Warrington last week had that happened. |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 1, 2022 13:03:50 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 1, 2022 16:19:48 GMT
I can't remember the exact details but I think there was a by-election in Basildon about a year ago where we (supposedly) helped Labour win. Lee Chapel North last November - labour won by 56, Reform got 98. I strongly suspect that Labour would have won anyway as I'd guess a reasonable amount of Reform votes might have gone to the Community Residents Party. I thought that was Communist Residents party for a minute. |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 1, 2022 22:19:46 GMT
Well, I had an unexpected visit from an old friend of mine this afternoon who needed me to sign his Irish passport application. Originally from Burnley, he is a former Labour Councillor for Bitterne and his insights were interesting. He moved to New Mills after being widowed and remarrying and is in the Labour Party there. He does some work in Blackburn so popped around, was good to see him, and his insights on the 2017 GE Southampton campaigns were worth hearing. Also, he was great on Eastleigh too.
As @sharon will know, Labour have thrown everything into the Bitterne byelection and I will be fascinated to know how successful it has been.
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