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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2022 23:00:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 23:15:02 GMT
There is absolutely no reason to delay getting the result unless there is something that genuinely makes an immediate count difficult. Also, leaving the ballot papers unattended overnight can give the perception, whether right or wrong, that there could be a risk of them being interfered with. Probably not in the Shetland Isles, but in a place where there is history of election malpractice (say Tower Hamlets) it coud help to undermine public confidence. I spent a night in Stoke’s nuclear bunker under the Civic Centre with the Deputy Returning Officer, BNP Agent and all the (full) ballot boxes; he was convinced there was a conspiracy to interfere with said papers, and the Returning Officer agreed he could stay with them, at which point the Labour candidates decided he shouldn’t be left alone, and drew lots for who should stay with him. The atmosphere wasn’t helped by the fact that the Dep RO should have been on honeymoon so was in a bad mood to begin with. This forum could write more than just the Almanac with stories like these. |
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Post by dizz on Nov 17, 2022 23:21:25 GMT
Rhondda, Cynon, Taf. Abercynon Lab 520 PC 56 Con 56 Green 18 Great result for Labour, shocking for Plaid. It would have been even better had the Cons beat Plaid by say 1 vote.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 17, 2022 23:21:52 GMT
There is absolutely no reason to delay getting the result unless there is something that genuinely makes an immediate count difficult. Also, leaving the ballot papers unattended overnight can give the perception, whether right or wrong, that there could be a risk of them being interfered with. Probably not in the Shetland Isles, but in a place where there is history of election malpractice (say Tower Hamlets) it coud help to undermine public confidence. I spent a night in Stoke’s nuclear bunker under the Civic Centre with the Deputy Returning Officer, BNP Agent and all the (full) ballot boxes; he was convinced there was a conspiracy to interfere with said papers, and the Returning Officer agreed he could stay with them, at which point the Labour candidates decided he shouldn’t be left alone, and drew lots for who should stay with him. The atmosphere wasn’t helped by the fact that the Dep RO should have been on honeymoon so was in a bad mood to begin with. Didn't the BNP also have a practice of attaching their own seals to ballot boxes in some places? |
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Post by batman on Nov 17, 2022 23:22:38 GMT
Great result for Labour, shocking for Plaid. It would have been even better had the Cons beat Plaid by say 1 vote. "Only the Tories can beat Labour here!" |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 17, 2022 23:22:42 GMT
Great result for Labour, shocking for Plaid. It would have been even better had the Cons beat Plaid by say 1 vote. Recount! |
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Post by maxque on Nov 17, 2022 23:24:16 GMT
Rhondda, Cynon, Taf. Abercynon Lab 520 PC 56 Con 56 Green 18 Lab 80.0% (+18.7) PC 8.6% (-6.8) Con 8.6% (-1.7) Grn 2.8% |
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Post by maxque on Nov 17, 2022 23:26:28 GMT
Bolsover. Pinxton Lab 376 Con 218 Lab 63.3% (+24.3 on 2019, +13.9 on 2021 by-election) Con 36.7% (+2.3 on 2021 by-election) |
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Post by dizz on Nov 17, 2022 23:31:13 GMT
It would have been even better had the Cons beat Plaid by say 1 vote. Recount! No!! Mark Drakeford might get agitated if he wasn't consulted first ahead of that. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 17, 2022 23:39:31 GMT
I spent a night in Stoke’s nuclear bunker under the Civic Centre with the Deputy Returning Officer, BNP Agent and all the (full) ballot boxes; he was convinced there was a conspiracy to interfere with said papers, and the Returning Officer agreed he could stay with them, at which point the Labour candidates decided he shouldn’t be left alone, and drew lots for who should stay with him. The atmosphere wasn’t helped by the fact that the Dep RO should have been on honeymoon so was in a bad mood to begin with. Didn't the BNP also have a practice of attaching their own seals to ballot boxes in some places? I don’t know of them doing it here, but I became housebound so unable to attend the count for their last couple of years. |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2022 23:42:36 GMT
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LD 77
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 17, 2022 23:42:37 GMT
What's the problem with next day counts Mainly that politicos get upset if they can't get excited by declarations at three in the morning. For Westminster it's because the above managed to get an absurd law passed back in 2010 when many councils planned a next day general election count because of cost and the increase in postal votes to process. That year our seat's declaration came through at 10:00 so I remain to be convinced it was a good move. Also, leaving the ballot papers unattended overnight can give the perception, whether right or wrong, that there could be a risk of them being interfered with. Probably not in the Shetland Isles, but in a place where there is history of election malpractice (say Tower Hamlets) it coud help to undermine public confidence. Ballot papers have been stored securely in Tower Hamlets in previous elections that either start the next day or run into later days. There was an election petition eight years ago in Hackney (next door to Tower Hamlets) that kicked up a spurious fuss about the council election counting the next day and the ballot boxes being stored overnight that completely failed to demonstrate there was any problem except perhaps that it should be easier to get election petitions thrown out early when brought by nuisance litigants. |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2022 23:46:39 GMT
Oldham. Hollinwood
Lab 718
Con 639
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Post by maxque on Nov 17, 2022 23:48:06 GMT
Blackpool, Greenlands Lab 550 Con 518 LD 77 Lab 48.0% (-0.1) Con 45.2% (-6.7) LD 6.7% |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2022 23:48:20 GMT
Blackburn with Darwen, Darwen South
Lab 569
Con 562
LD 137
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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2022 23:48:57 GMT
3 pretty narrow wins for Labour in the North West tonight.
79, 32 and 7 vote majorities.
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Post by maxque on Nov 17, 2022 23:50:33 GMT
Oldham. Hollinwood Lab 718 Con 639 Ind 152 NHP 59 LD 36 Lab 44.8% (-14.1) Con 39.8% (+21.5) Ind 9.5% NHP 3.7% (-6.4) LD 2.2% (-6.6) |
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Post by maxque on Nov 17, 2022 23:52:19 GMT
Blackburn with Darwen, Darwen South Lab 569 Con 562 LD 137 Lab 44.9% (+6.6) Con 44.3% (-1.8) LD 10.8% (-4.9) |
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Post by batman on Nov 17, 2022 23:55:12 GMT
strikingly good Tory performance & bad Labour performance in Oldham. Wonder what the issues were there
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Post by jimboo2017 on Nov 18, 2022 0:01:59 GMT
strikingly good Tory performance & bad Labour performance in Oldham. Wonder what the issues were there same thoughts |
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