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Post by maxque on Oct 22, 2022 2:26:46 GMT
There's going to be a by-election in the City of Chester? First I've heard of it. I just thought he'd resigned the Labour whip. Hunt already appointed him as Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds. |
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Post by tonyhill on Oct 22, 2022 6:16:02 GMT
I see there's a story in The Telegraph this morning about plummeting birth rates; I wonder if this is not entirely unconnected to the problem of relationships between men and women that we have been discussing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 6:47:37 GMT
I see there's a story in The Telegraph this morning about plummeting birth rates; I wonder if this is not entirely unconnected to the problem of relationships between men and women that we have been discussing. With the climate crisis, cost of living, housing crisis, job insecurity, and political unrest both home and abroad, I'd put "men not being allowed to sexually harass women any longer" pretty low on the list of potential reasons. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 22, 2022 7:20:40 GMT
I see there's a story in The Telegraph this morning about plummeting birth rates; I wonder if this is not entirely unconnected to the problem of relationships between men and women that we have been discussing. With the climate crisis, cost of living, housing crisis, job insecurity, and political unrest both home and abroad, I'd put "men not being allowed to sexually harass women any longer" pretty low on the list of potential reasons. And there are factors that go back before any of those you mention. Increased urbanisation going back to the industrial revolution has meant that having large numbers of children provides less of an advantage - especially alongside medical and social changes that make infant mortality rare . Educating girls has meant that women have far more choices that enable them to reduce their fertility if they want to. The sexual revolution has made relationships in general, and marriage in particular, much less stable - which also has the effect of reducing the number of kids being born.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 22, 2022 9:05:42 GMT
It's a shame he couldn't backdate it because about eighteen months ago this would have been a very interesting byelection. It might have been, but there's more than one way of interpreting that. Chester is significantly in Liverpool's orbit now, and that has had an obvious electoral effect. A byelection here on the same day as Hartlepool last May might have delivered a somewhat different result, even though the circumstances of the vacancy are similar in both cases. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Oct 22, 2022 9:44:59 GMT
It's a shame he couldn't backdate it because about eighteen months ago this would have been a very interesting byelection. It might have been, but there's more than one way of interpreting that. Chester is significantly in Liverpool's orbit now, and that has had an obvious electoral effect. A byelection here on the same day as Hartlepool last May might have delivered a somewhat different result, even though the circumstances of the vacancy are similar in both cases. A bit like Wirral West looking at election results? Chester must be in the top quarter if not half of least deprived Labour constituencies, and like WW was a 2015 gain with a very good (by Labour standards) 2019 result - his majority wasn’t even halved. Definitely an illustration of Labour doing better in middle class areas. Whereas they lost Crewe by a considerable margin and almost lost Warrington North (though with a new candidate there) |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2022 9:53:38 GMT
I see there's a story in The Telegraph this morning about plummeting birth rates; I wonder if this is not entirely unconnected to the problem of relationships between men and women that we have been discussing. With the climate crisis, cost of living, housing crisis, job insecurity, and political unrest both home and abroad, I'd put "men not being allowed to sexually harass women any longer" pretty low on the list of potential reasons. Of course you would dear. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 22, 2022 9:57:08 GMT
It might have been, but there's more than one way of interpreting that. Chester is significantly in Liverpool's orbit now, and that has had an obvious electoral effect. A byelection here on the same day as Hartlepool last May might have delivered a somewhat different result, even though the circumstances of the vacancy are similar in both cases. A bit like Wirral West looking at election results? Chester must be in the top quarter if not half of least deprived Labour constituencies, and like WW was a 2015 gain with a very good (by Labour standards) 2019 result - his majority wasn’t even halved. Definitely an illustration of Labour doing better in middle class areas. Whereas they lost Crewe by a considerable margin and almost lost Warrington North (though with a new candidate there) One of a few freak 2019 Tory near misses that may not be repeated for some time to come. |
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Post by YL on Oct 22, 2022 10:27:44 GMT
A bit like Wirral West looking at election results? Chester must be in the top quarter if not half of least deprived Labour constituencies, and like WW was a 2015 gain with a very good (by Labour standards) 2019 result - his majority wasn’t even halved. Definitely an illustration of Labour doing better in middle class areas. Whereas they lost Crewe by a considerable margin and almost lost Warrington North (though with a new candidate there) According to the dataset used by Alasdair Rae, City of Chester is the 26th least deprived Labour constituency. Wirral West is 23rd and Wirral South 20th; Sefton Central is 8th. Most of the others above Chester are either (a) in London, e.g. Ilford North, all three Wandsworth seats (b) smaller highly educated urban areas, e.g. Cambridge, Exeter, Warwick & Leamington (c) educated middle class parts of cities outside London, e.g. Sheffield Hallam, Cardiff North, Leeds North West. Alyn & Deeside, right across the border, appears too, in 6th place, which surprises me and, together with the positions of some other Welsh constituencies, makes me wonder about how well the Welsh data has been combined with the English and Scottish data. Chester is presumably moved some way up the deprivation list (so down the "least deprived" list) by the Blacon area. ( Source) |
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Post by bsjmcr on Oct 22, 2022 10:54:10 GMT
A bit like Wirral West looking at election results? Chester must be in the top quarter if not half of least deprived Labour constituencies, and like WW was a 2015 gain with a very good (by Labour standards) 2019 result - his majority wasn’t even halved. Definitely an illustration of Labour doing better in middle class areas. Whereas they lost Crewe by a considerable margin and almost lost Warrington North (though with a new candidate there) According to the dataset used by Alasdair Rae, City of Chester is the 26th least deprived Labour constituency. Wirral West is 23rd and Wirral South 20th; Sefton Central is 8th. Most of the others above Chester are either (a) in London, e.g. Ilford North, all three Wandsworth seats (b) smaller highly educated urban areas, e.g. Cambridge, Exeter, Warwick & Leamington (c) educated middle class parts of cities outside London, e.g. Sheffield Hallam, Cardiff North, Leeds North West. Alyn & Deeside, right across the border, appears too, in 6th place, which surprises me and, together with the positions of some other Welsh constituencies, makes me wonder about how well the Welsh data has been combined with the English and Scottish data. Chester is presumably moved some way up the deprivation list (so down the "least deprived" list) by the Blacon area. ( Source) I’m surprised ‘City of’ Durham comes up as less deprived than Chester. Then again Durham university must make a bigger impression on the city there than Chester university which is smaller and, no disrespect, not quite as highly ranked, Also surprised at how far behind Manchester Withington is compared to the city seats in part (c) you mentioned there. I guess Didsbury and Chorlton aren’t as big as they would like and there must be considerable deprivation in Burnage and ‘Old Moat’ and Withington itself is bang average really. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 23, 2022 18:44:45 GMT
What happens to Matheson's staff (or any resigning MP)? Do they stay on until the new one is elected, to assist the MPs covering? Or do they get made redundant immediately?
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 23, 2022 19:16:55 GMT
A bit like Wirral West looking at election results? Chester must be in the top quarter if not half of least deprived Labour constituencies, and like WW was a 2015 gain with a very good (by Labour standards) 2019 result - his majority wasn’t even halved. Definitely an illustration of Labour doing better in middle class areas. Whereas they lost Crewe by a considerable margin and almost lost Warrington North (though with a new candidate there) According to the dataset used by Alasdair Rae, City of Chester is the 26th least deprived Labour constituency. Wirral West is 23rd and Wirral South 20th; Sefton Central is 8th. Most of the others above Chester are either (a) in London, e.g. Ilford North, all three Wandsworth seats (b) smaller highly educated urban areas, e.g. Cambridge, Exeter, Warwick & Leamington (c) educated middle class parts of cities outside London, e.g. Sheffield Hallam, Cardiff North, Leeds North West. Alyn & Deeside, right across the border, appears too, in 6th place, which surprises me and, together with the positions of some other Welsh constituencies, makes me wonder about how well the Welsh data has been combined with the English and Scottish data. Chester is presumably moved some way up the deprivation list (so down the "least deprived" list) by the Blacon area. ( Source) Alyn and Deeside gets skewed in the deprivation stats by the Airbus factory at Broughton, which employs a lot of people and pays very high wages. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Oct 23, 2022 19:54:32 GMT
I predict that Gyles Brandreth will be the Conservative candidate and will get 85% of the votes in the by-election. Is he even still a Tory member? Very much so. And he's just about the only celebrity we have on side these days. He MCd the London hustings for the last Leadership election. And whenever there is a Tory fundraising event you can bet that Brandreth will be the auctioneer or warm-up act or whatever is required. I'm surprised he is still as actively involved as he is. Must have extremely big balls, given the general political climate. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2022 21:46:00 GMT
Blacon is one of those places that shocks people who have a certain view of Chester (likewise with the Lache). It's better than it was in the Nineties but still quite grim. It is quite cut off from the city proper and most of the jobs are probably at the industrial estate.
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Post by neilm on Oct 23, 2022 21:51:13 GMT
Blacon is one of those places that shocks people who have a certain view of Chester (likewise with the Lache). It's better than it was in the Nineties but still quite grim. It is quite cut off from the city proper and most of the jobs are probably at the industrial estate. When was the Lache built? I thought it was 1950s when I went through but some of the pictures online look 1930s. |
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Post by andrewp on Oct 23, 2022 22:00:37 GMT
Blacon is one of those places that shocks people who have a certain view of Chester (likewise with the Lache). It's better than it was in the Nineties but still quite grim. It is quite cut off from the city proper and most of the jobs are probably at the industrial estate. Is Lache pronounced ‘lash’ or in some other way? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2022 22:02:54 GMT
Blacon is one of those places that shocks people who have a certain view of Chester (likewise with the Lache). It's better than it was in the Nineties but still quite grim. It is quite cut off from the city proper and most of the jobs are probably at the industrial estate. Is Lache pronounced ‘lash’ or in some other way? Like the latch on a door. Edit: actually some people say it as if it were "laitch". But I've always known it referred to as in latch. Any Cestrians on here? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2022 22:05:58 GMT
Blacon is one of those places that shocks people who have a certain view of Chester (likewise with the Lache). It's better than it was in the Nineties but still quite grim. It is quite cut off from the city proper and most of the jobs are probably at the industrial estate. When was the Lache built? I thought it was 1950s when I went through but some of the pictures online look 1930s. Not sure. Some of the housing stock looks a lot like the older parts of Wythenshawe. |
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