Sg1
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Post by Sg1 on Sept 21, 2022 17:02:53 GMT
Perhaps the most boring seat for a by election to take place in? Probably a good result for the Tories if we manage half as many votes as labour or more, phenomenal result for any third party candidate if they save their deposit
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Post by neilm on Sept 21, 2022 17:07:05 GMT
Odd thing to do. Surely having a conference to get as many activists as possible within easy range would be what you want. IIRC, the SNP used to arrange spontaneous "conferences" in the vicinity of by-elections. This is a North West regional conference and it's taking place over an hour away from West Lancashire so not sure it'd ne helpful. Saying that though, given how safe this seat is, seems odd they are cancelling a conference for what should be a safe hold even with losing this weekend of campaigning. Not to mention the impact of having Keir Starmer etc all over the local news for two nights. |
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 21, 2022 17:20:09 GMT
My understanding is that the seat automatically falls vacant when Cooper takes up her appointment on 1st November. If Labour call the by-election straight away it will take place in early December. However if they want it earlier, presumably Cooper will resign as soon as a candidate is in place. Alternatively Labour may delay the by-election until after the New Year. A December election is not ideal, and likely to have low turnout.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 17:21:51 GMT
Perhaps the most boring seat for a by election to take place in? Probably a good result for the Tories if we manage half as many votes as labour or more, phenomenal result for any third party candidate if they save their deposit It might be quite dull (they can't all be Tiverton or Bradford West) though I always say that every by-election has its own narrative. I'd say Knowsley would be even duller! |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 21, 2022 17:22:50 GMT
My understanding is that the seat automatically falls vacant when Cooper takes up her appointment on 1st November. If Labour call the by-election straight away it will take place in early December. However if they want it earlier, presumably Cooper will resign as soon as a candidate is in place. Alternatively Labour may delay the by-election until after the New Year. A December election is not ideal, and likely to have low turnout. It's not a local election, they can't automatically choose to "call" or trigger it. |
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Post by peterl on Sept 21, 2022 18:25:40 GMT
My understanding is that the seat automatically falls vacant when Cooper takes up her appointment on 1st November. If Labour call the by-election straight away it will take place in early December. However if they want it earlier, presumably Cooper will resign as soon as a candidate is in place. Alternatively Labour may delay the by-election until after the New Year. A December election is not ideal, and likely to have low turnout. It's not a local election, they can't automatically choose to "call" or trigger it. Yes they can. Parliamentary by elections occur only after the whip of the party of the departing MP moves the writ. |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 21, 2022 18:27:38 GMT
It's not a local election, they can't automatically choose to "call" or trigger it. Yes they can. Parliamentary by elections occur only after the whip of the party of the departing MP moves the writ. So theoretically we could have decided to just not hold all those by elections we lost? |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 21, 2022 18:30:15 GMT
It's not a local election, they can't automatically choose to "call" or trigger it. Yes they can. Parliamentary by elections occur only after the whip of the party of the departing MP moves the writ. Genuine question: can anyone explain the full process? The protocols, and the legalities? I definitely don't think I've got it all correct. |
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Post by peterl on Sept 21, 2022 18:31:42 GMT
Yes they can. Parliamentary by elections occur only after the whip of the party of the departing MP moves the writ. Genuine question: can anyone explain the full process? The protocols, and the legalities? I definitely don't think I've got it all correct. |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2022 18:42:01 GMT
Yes they can. Parliamentary by elections occur only after the whip of the party of the departing MP moves the writ. So theoretically we could have decided to just not hold all those by elections we lost? If the defending party takes the piss by not moving the writ in good time without a GE looming, then another party can take matters into its own hands and seek to move the writ. They will probably fail, but in the process shame the defending party into getting on with it. |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 21, 2022 18:45:01 GMT
So theoretically we could have decided to just not hold all those by elections we lost? If the defending party takes the piss by not moving the writ in good time without a GE looming, then another party can take matters into its own hands and seek to move the writ. They will probably fail, but in the process shame the defending party into getting on with it. Shame? This is the Conservative Party we are talking about! |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2022 18:48:15 GMT
If the defending party takes the piss by not moving the writ in good time without a GE looming, then another party can take matters into its own hands and seek to move the writ. They will probably fail, but in the process shame the defending party into getting on with it. Shame? This is the Conservative Party we are talking about! How true, how true... |
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Post by neilm on Sept 21, 2022 19:35:31 GMT
What does 'in the room of...' mean? I've never actually looked at one of the relevant motions. EDIT: my question has been answered by the link helpfully posted by greatkingrat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 19:57:36 GMT
Reading that, could MPs hypothetically try and move a writ for a by-election even if the seat isn't actually vacant?
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2022 20:03:02 GMT
Reading that, could MPs hypothetically try and move a writ for a by-election even if the seat isn't actually vacant? Speaker says no. |
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Post by kevinf on Sept 21, 2022 20:09:40 GMT
Odd thing to do. Surely having a conference to get as many activists as possible within easy range would be what you want. IIRC, the SNP used to arrange spontaneous "conferences" in the vicinity of by-elections. This is a North West regional conference and it's taking place over an hour away from West Lancashire so not sure it'd ne helpful. Saying that though, given how safe this seat is, seems odd they are cancelling a conference for what should be a safe hold even with losing this weekend of campaigning. This is more about Starmer not wanting a potentially stile North West Conference. |
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Post by kevinf on Sept 21, 2022 20:10:24 GMT
Or even a hostile one…
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Post by john07 on Sept 21, 2022 20:55:38 GMT
Is there much overlap between this and the former Ormskirk Constituency?
I wonder if Robert Kilroy Silk might fancy another punt?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 21, 2022 21:16:56 GMT
This is a North West regional conference and it's taking place over an hour away from West Lancashire so not sure it'd ne helpful. Saying that though, given how safe this seat is, seems odd they are cancelling a conference for what should be a safe hold even with losing this weekend of campaigning. Not to mention the impact of having Keir Starmer etc all over the local news for two nights. The impact on sales of sleeping pills? |
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 21, 2022 21:17:33 GMT
So theoretically we could have decided to just not hold all those by elections we lost? If the defending party takes the piss by not moving the writ in good time without a GE looming, then another party can take matters into its own hands and seek to move the writ. They will probably fail, but in the process shame the defending party into getting on with it. For example, the SNP tried unsuccessfully to move the writ for Glasgow North East after Michael Martin resigned. hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2009-07-21/debates/09072161000001/IssueOfWrit? |
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