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Post by rcronald on Oct 13, 2022 14:36:30 GMT
Camera 1st vote a sea of blank ballots Senate 1st vote. Majority required: 104 (majority of the total number of Senators, including the 6 "Senators for Life" and those eventually not present during the vote) Number of MPs voting: 186 Ignazio Benito La Russa 116 votes Liliana Segre 2 Roberto Calderoli 2 Blank 66 Centre-right have 115 MPs 16 out of 18 Forza Italia MPs didn't vote....so La Russa got votes from the opposition. At least 17 It was a secret ballot. I would assume that the regionalist party from Sicily is one of the 17, as the party seems like a Centre-right Federalist Part, maybe 3 Germans as well? |
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Post by andrea on Oct 13, 2022 16:12:00 GMT
Camera 1st vote a sea of blank ballots Senate 1st vote. Majority required: 104 (majority of the total number of Senators, including the 6 "Senators for Life" and those eventually not present during the vote) Number of MPs voting: 186 Ignazio Benito La Russa 116 votes Liliana Segre 2 Roberto Calderoli 2 Blank 66 Centre-right have 115 MPs 16 out of 18 Forza Italia MPs didn't vote....so La Russa got votes from the opposition. At least 17 It was a secret ballot. I would assume that the regionalist party from Sicily is one of the 17, as the party seems like a Centre-right Federalist Part, maybe 3 Germans as well? The Sicilian one is a good guess. There is also the Argentinian one as another possibility. SVP used to detest FDI's predecessor (La Russa comes from AN and MSI) 3 Life senators were present (+ Segre who was presiding and didn't vote) but a couple of them don't look like La Russa natural voters. The 2 Calderoli votes may have came from Lega which would increase the numbers of LaRussa's voters outside of the government in waiting majority. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 13, 2022 19:33:53 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 13, 2022 19:40:17 GMT
It is wished
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 13, 2022 19:45:37 GMT
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Post by iain on Oct 13, 2022 19:55:36 GMT
As Sibboleth mentioned in his post, that map for Lega is pretty hilarious |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 13, 2022 22:28:49 GMT
As Sibboleth mentioned in his post, that map for Lega is pretty hilarious Yes. Normally You would expect FdI to absorb especially those from the South, who were for some time in the Salvini-camp, but felt themselves always as strangers within a party like Lega. Astonishing for me was, how much FdI was able to advance in the North, i.e. "my" (=Austria's) old Lombardo-Venetian kingdom. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 14, 2022 2:19:23 GMT
The difference between Toscana and Emilia-Romagna in the PD map is a bit puzzling, is it because of Bonaccini? |
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Post by andrea on Oct 14, 2022 12:25:00 GMT
4th voting for Camera speaker
Quorum: 197
Voting: 392
Fontana 222
Guerra (PD) 77
De Raho (M5S) 52
Richetti (Calenda/Renzi) 22
Serracchiani 1
Molinari 1
Blank 6
Spoilt 11
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 14, 2022 17:48:45 GMT
A totally useless fact but Fontana's accession means that the five most recent presidents of the Chamber were born respectively in the Forties, Fifties, Sixties, Seventies and Eighties (just). In order of decade to boot.
La Russa's elevation continues the trend of no president of the Senate being born after 1950.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 10:45:21 GMT
La Russa's elevation continues the trend of no president of the Senate being born after 1950. They’re almost as bad as the US. 😉 Do the chairs of the two chambers in Italian politics have much scope for active politicking or are they just mainly management positions? |
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Post by andrea on Oct 18, 2022 19:15:45 GMT
Parliamentary groups formed at the Senate
Fratelli d'Italia (Brothers of Italy) 63 MPs. Chair: Luca Ciriani
PD - Partito Democratico - Italia Democratica e Progressista 38 MPs. Chair: Simona Malpezzi
Lega Salvini Premier - Partito Sardo d'Azione 29. Chair: Massimiliano Romeo
MoVimento 5 Stelle (Movement 5 Stars) 28. Chair: Barbara Floridia
Forza Italia Berlusconi Presidente 18 Chair: Licia Ronzulli
Azione-ItaliaViva-RenewEurope (Calenda and Renzi) 9. Chair: Raffaella Paita
Per le Autonomie (SVP-Patt, Campobase, Sud Chiama Nord) 7. Chair: Julia Unterberger
Civici d'Italia - Noi Moderati (UDC - Coraggio Italia - Noi con l'Italia - Italia al Centro) - MAIE 6. Chair: Antonio De Poli
Mixed 7. Chair: Peppe De Cristofaro (Green/Left)
The Messina MP joined the "For the Autonomies" group along with SVP and a couple of Life Senators.
The Argentian one is MAIE and went with the centre-right "Moderates".
First meeting of the Conference of Parliamentary Groups Chairs today
The Conference of Chairs of the Parliamentary Groups, chaired by the President of the Senate, meets with the presence of the Vice Presidents (to be elected tomorrow) and with the intervention of the Government. It is responsible for planning the work of the Senate.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 18, 2022 19:51:38 GMT
Go SVP.
The Lega-Sard tie-up is interesting. How are Sardinians perceived by the old Padania types in the Lega? Or indeed in wider Italian society? On one hand, Sardinia is normally economically lumped in with the terroni, but on the other hand it was of course an integral part of the entity that unified Italy from the North...
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 18, 2022 21:46:00 GMT
Go SVP. The Lega-Sard tie-up is interesting. How are Sardinians perceived by the old Padania types in the Lega? Or indeed in wider Italian society? On one hand, Sardinia is normally economically lumped in with the terroni, but on the other hand it was of course an integral part of the entity that unified Italy from the North... By the way: "We" (=VienneseCongress) should have given Savoy to France and Corsica to Sardinia. Italy would have its mare nostrum, Sardinia be less isolated (and have a small brother to contempt...). In the north of S. is even a Corsican dialect spoken. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 19, 2022 16:09:49 GMT
Some round ups of what's happening
Opposition
PD will have soon a leadership election as Letta has already announced his resignation.
PD and M5S agreed to take the 2 Vice-Presidents of each Chambers reserved to oppositions. Calenda/Renzi have been bitching about it for days because they wanted one. They are boycotting the ballot on vice-presidents.
Soon to be government
Berlusconi pushed Licia Renzulli for a cabinet ministry position. Meloni said "well, no". Hence, the unsuccessful attempt to make election of LaRussa to Senate presidency harder.
During the weekend, it seemed an agreement was reached on which ministerial positions would have gone to Forza Italia.
However, yesterday at the first meeting of Forza Italia parliamentary group, Berlusconi had one of his "derapages". He apparently said "I asked for 3 more ministers and she [Meloni] laughed at me".
Then he went on talking about Putin and the bottle of vodkas he gifted him. Then he told all journalists a joke about Putin, Biden and the Pope on an airplanes.
Today an audio-recording of Berlusconi talking about Ukraine-Russia war emerged...this is the report of what he said...I didn't hear the audio:
"Do you know how the thing happened in Russia? Also on this I beg you, however, the utmost confidentiality. Do you promise? (...) This is how it went: in 2014 in Minsk, Belarus, an agreement was signed between the "Ukraine and the two newly formed republics of Donbass for a peace agreement without either attacking the other. Ukraine throws this treaty to hell a year later and begins attacking the borders of the two republics. The two republics suffer casualties among their soldiers who totaled, I am told, to 5-6-7 thousand dead. Zelensky arrives, triple the attacks on the two republics. The dead become (...) ", "Desperate, the two republics (...) send a delegation to Moscow (...) and finally manage to talk to Putin. They say: 'Vladimir we don't know what to do, you must defend us'. He - he adds - is against any initiative, he resists, undergoes strong pressure from all over Russia. And then he decides to do a special operation: the troops had to enter Ukraine, in a week reach Kiev, overthrow the government in office, Zelensky, etc. chosen by the Ukrainian minority of good and common sense people, another week to go back. He entered Ukraine and was faced with an unforeseen and unpredictable situation of resistance from the Ukrainians, who started on the third day to receive money and weapons from the West. And the war, instead of being a two-week operation, has become a war of two hundred-and-a-half years. So, this is the situation of the war in Ukraine. "
"Zelensky, in my opinion ... forget it, I can't tell."
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Post by andrea on Oct 19, 2022 18:17:56 GMT
Camera dei Deputati
Vice Presidents
1 Fratelli d'Italia, 1 Forza Italia, 1 PD and 1 5Stars
Quaestors
1 Fratelli d'Italia, 1 Lega, 1 M5S
Secretaries (8)
3 Fratelli d'Italia, 1 Lega, 1 Forza Italia, 2 M5S, 1 PD
Senato
Vice-presidents
1 FI, 1 Lega, 1 M5S, 1 PD
Quaestors
1 Fratelli d'Italia, 1 Noi Moderati, 1 PD
Secretaries
2 Fratelli d'Italia, 2 Lega, 1 Forza Italia, 2 M5S, 1 PD
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Post by andrea on Oct 19, 2022 20:05:13 GMT
Parliamentary groups formed at the Senate Fratelli d'Italia (Brothers of Italy) 63 MPs. Chair: Luca Ciriani PD - Partito Democratico - Italia Democratica e Progressista 38 MPs. Chair: Simona Malpezzi Lega Salvini Premier - Partito Sardo d'Azione 29. Chair: Massimiliano Romeo MoVimento 5 Stelle (Movement 5 Stars) 28. Chair: Barbara Floridia Forza Italia Berlusconi Presidente 18 Chair: Licia Ronzulli Azione-ItaliaViva-RenewEurope (Calenda and Renzi) 9. Chair: Raffaella Paita Per le Autonomie (SVP-Patt, Campobase, Sud Chiama Nord) 7. Chair: Julia Unterberger Civici d'Italia - Noi Moderati (UDC - Coraggio Italia - Noi con l'Italia - Italia al Centro) - MAIE 6. Chair: Antonio De Poli Mixed 7. Chair: Peppe De Cristofaro (Green/Left) Groups at the Camera Fratelli d'Italia 118 MPs PD 69 Lega 66 M5S 52 Forza Italia 44 Azione-ItaliaViva 21 Mixed 30 of which Green/Left 12 Us Moderates 9 +Europe 3 Linguistic minorities 3 (2 SVP + MP from Aosta) Others 3 (one is from the centre-right coalition, one is the Messina MP and one is SVP and I am not sure why he hasn't joined the Linguistic minority sub-group) |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 19, 2022 20:26:24 GMT
Parliamentary groups formed at the Senate Fratelli d'Italia (Brothers of Italy) 63 MPs. Chair: Luca Ciriani PD - Partito Democratico - Italia Democratica e Progressista 38 MPs. Chair: Simona Malpezzi Lega Salvini Premier - Partito Sardo d'Azione 29. Chair: Massimiliano Romeo MoVimento 5 Stelle (Movement 5 Stars) 28. Chair: Barbara Floridia Forza Italia Berlusconi Presidente 18 Chair: Licia Ronzulli Azione-ItaliaViva-RenewEurope (Calenda and Renzi) 9. Chair: Raffaella Paita Per le Autonomie (SVP-Patt, Campobase, Sud Chiama Nord) 7. Chair: Julia Unterberger Civici d'Italia - Noi Moderati (UDC - Coraggio Italia - Noi con l'Italia - Italia al Centro) - MAIE 6. Chair: Antonio De Poli Mixed 7. Chair: Peppe De Cristofaro (Green/Left) Groups at the Camera Fratelli d'Italia 118 MPs PD 69 Lega 66 M5S 52 Forza Italia 44 Azione-ItaliaViva 21 Mixed 30 of which Green/Left 12 Us Moderates 9 +Europe 3 Linguistic minorities 3 (2 SVP + MP from Aosta) Others 3 (one is from the centre-right coalition, one is the Messina one and one is SVP and I am not sure why he hasn't joined the Linguistic minority sub-group) Ah, the positive calm and stability of Italian politics. How we hunger for it in the UK.  |
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Post by andrea on Oct 21, 2022 17:57:18 GMT
The new Cabinet
Matteo Salvini (Lega), deputy prime minister and infrastructure
Antonio Tajani (Forza Italia), deputy prime minister and foreign affairs
Giancarlo Giorgetti (Lega), Economy
Adolfo Urso (FDI, Fratelli D'Italia) Business and Made in Italy
Paolo Zangrillo (Forza Italia),, Ecological transition
Guido Crosetto (FDI) Defence
Matteo Piantedosi (Ind) Home affairs
Carlo Nordio (FDI) Justice
Marina Elvira Calderone (Ind), Work
Orazio Schillaci (Ind), Health
Giuseppe Valditara (Lega), Education
Anna Maria Bernini Forza Italia), University and Research
Gennaro Sangiuliano (Ind), Culture
Gilberto Pichetto Fratin (Forza Italia), Public Administration
Francesco Lollobrigida (FDI) Agricolture and food sovereignty
Elisabetta Casellati (Forza Italia), Reforms
Roberto Calderoli(Lega), Regional Affairs
Raffaele Fitto (FDI) European affairs
Alessandra Locatelli (Lega), Disabilities
Andrea Abodi (Ind), Youth and sport
Eugenia Roccella (FDI) Family, Fertility and Equal Opportunities
Luca Ciriani (FDI) Relations with Parliament
Daniela Santanchè (FDI) Tourism
Sebastiano Musumeci (FDI) Sea and South
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 21, 2022 18:47:53 GMT
Tajani! Was that expected? That seems a solid choice.
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