Italian general election 2022

[aargauer]

Sept 28, 2022 12:10:28 GMT pl said:

Sept 28, 2022 12:05:55 GMT andrea said:

345,779 Italians in UK.
86,299 bothered voting

I imagine the electoral register not being up to date is a major issue.

In two separate London house shares, postal ballot packs for previous Italian residents were delivered.

Who did you vote for?

[minionofmidas]

Sept 28, 2022 19:26:26 GMT Andrew_S said:

Ironic that the former parliamentary leader of Five Star left the party and lost his seat to a Five Star candidate (in the Naples area).

Appropriate.

[Sibboleth]

[minionofmidas]

Now I want to see the Naples area (and central-ish Rome) superimposed on a real map. ;(

[jamie]

Is there a particular reason Naples has become such a stronghold for Five Star?

[carlton43]

Sept 29, 2022 22:02:11 GMT jamie said:

Is there a particular reason Naples has become such a stronghold for Five Star?

The Camorra position
Gross deprivation
Very low education attainment
Fairly low IQ

[johnloony]

Sept 29, 2022 22:23:37 GMT carlton43 said:

Sept 29, 2022 22:02:11 GMT jamie said:

Is there a particular reason Naples has become such a stronghold for Five Star?

The Camorra position
Gross deprivation
Very low education attainment
Fairly low IQ

Is Naples the Liverpool of Italy?
I remember watching the teenage gangster film “Piranhas” (set in Naples) a while ago, and we were discussing the distinctive local bumpkin dialect (compared with the synthetic “standard” Italian language which is taught to foreigners)

[carlton43]

Sept 29, 2022 23:15:38 GMT johnloony said:

Sept 29, 2022 22:23:37 GMT carlton43 said:

The Camorra position
Gross deprivation
Very low education attainment
Fairly low IQ

Is Naples the Liverpool of Italy?
I remember watching the teenage gangster film “Piranhas” (set in Naples) a while ago, and we were discussing the distinctive local bumpkin dialect (compared with the synthetic “standard” Italian language which is taught to foreigners)

All languages are synthetic.

[Sibboleth]

From Tuscany and points south these patterns are rather familiar, with the exception of the disappearance of a few old strongholds in parts of the South (c.f. Naples city, Messina and parts of Calabria). But in the North... although the area of greatest strength (the South West of Veneto) always saw relatively good results for the old AN in the 1990s, this is very much a new electoral world and a quite remarkable one. Many rural districts where the old AN polled its worst percentages in all of Italy saw extremely strong FdI results this time around. There are breakthroughs and then there's, well, that.



Similar to last time, but there are some interesting differences and they are consistently in the direction of a less weird map by historical standards.



Vastly reduced in scale, yet the same dominant geographical theme still appears. But look a little closer: in much of the country this is clearly a much more 'left-wing' geography than seen before.

[rcronald]

Just noticed that PD received the proportional seat in Molise for some reason....

[jamie]

Sibboleth Once you’ve posted the support maps are you able to post changes from 2018?

[Sibboleth]

Sept 30, 2022 15:47:16 GMT jamie said:

Sibboleth Once you’ve posted the support maps are you able to post changes from 2018?

No, because boundary changes have been extensive and no one seems to have produced notional figures.

[Georg Ebner]

Best opinionPolls (i.e. lowest deViation per party from the actual outCome):

Final opinionPolls of every pollster:

[andrea]

The National Electoral Office, gathered in the Supreme Court, has concluded the functional operations for the proclamation of those elected to the House, resolving the issue of multiple candidatures in the proportional part [in Naples area M5S got more MPs than candidates given some people who won FPTP constituencies were also in the PR list).

According to ANSA (Associated Press), the secretariat sent this afternoon the minutes to the circumscription electoral offices which will send communications to the elected MPs.

An informal communication will also be given to the junta for the elections of the House, the minutes will then be officially sent on Monday or Tuesday.

There has been some changes yesterday in the names of those elected. Not in the number of MPs, but small changes in the official tallies after rechecking of polling stations reports led to some changes in how seats for some parties (Forza Italia, Left/Green) are distributed between circumscriptions (because the electoral system is, well, a bit crazy).

Chambers meet on 13th October to elect their presidents (your Speaker).

[andrea]

Sept 27, 2022 3:24:55 GMT Georg Ebner said:

Can andrea or anyone else provide a link to the rawNumbers and/or % in a workable format (EXCEL or CSV), please?
.

I am late but I found a way to download csv files with all numbers.
elezioni.interno.gov.it/report/20220925

Look at the bottom right of the page (Open data section), right-click on
Scrutini Camera Italia
Scrutini Senato Italia
and download the attached file

[andrea]

The outgoing cabinet had its last meeting today

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Mind you, in a very Italian way, they all (well, Cingolani was not present) show up including those from parties which voted to leave the government in July.

[Sibboleth]

Absolutely hilarious map here. Lega's vote crashed utterly in the North (including both areas of traditional and newer strength) and in Central Italy but actually held up O.K. further south (actually increased in parts of Sicily hahahaha), where it has always been very weak, producing a quite ridiculous map.



Further collapse across the board, of course, including the final desertion of the bulk of what were once Forza Italia's core voters in Western Lombardy. What's left looks like a clientelist map more than a Berlusconi map.



Completely ridiculous map that to an extent tracks affluence, but which also has various other weird features all over the place.

[minionofmidas]

Sept 30, 2022 15:55:32 GMT Sibboleth said:

boundary changes have been extensive and no one seems to have produced notional figures.

in Napoli the new camera constituencies are the previous Senate constituencies and are straight up mergers of two previous camera constituencies. The old four way division broadly makes sense on the ground - core city centre (with the posh beach neighborhood to the sw), neighborhoods immediately to the north and to the west, east side of town (infringing on the centre somewhat - looks like the border runs right through Forcella), western inner suburbs within the city limits (not been to these parts). The merger of the 1st and 4th though... um.

[andrea]

First sitting of Chambers today to elect the Speakers


Camera: started now
webtv.camera.it/evento/21245

Senato: at 10.30am
webtv.senato.it/webtv_live

At the Camera candidates need 2/3 majority in the first 3 votes. So they won't elect the Speaker today.
At the Senate, it is immediately 50+1 at the first vote. So they should elect the Speaker today. La Russa of FDI is the named candidate for centre-right. The interesting thing is the number of votes he will receive compared to the number of MPs C-R have.

Voting is boring and long...they call MPs one by one

[andrea]

Camera
1st vote

a sea of blank ballots

Senate
1st vote. Majority required: 104 (majority of the total number of Senators, including the 6 "Senators for Life" and those eventually not present during the vote)

Number of MPs voting: 186

Ignazio Benito La Russa 116 votes
Liliana Segre 2
Roberto Calderoli 2
Blank 66

Centre-right have 115 MPs
16 out of 18 Forza Italia MPs didn't vote....so La Russa got votes from the opposition. At least 17

It was a secret ballot.