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Post by The Bishop on Aug 19, 2022 11:49:22 GMT
Arguably principled, but maybe not the wisest course.
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Post by rcronald on Aug 19, 2022 11:55:20 GMT
Arguably principled, but maybe not the wisest course. I 100% agree, I just don't think that what she did was unprincipled or unethical lol |
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Post by maxque on Aug 19, 2022 17:47:35 GMT
Arguably principled, but maybe not the wisest course. I 100% agree, I just don't think that what she did was unprincipled or unethical lol A Likud and Bibi supported is not allowed is discuss what is ethical or not, as they have no understanding of the concept. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 19, 2022 18:23:21 GMT
I 100% agree, I just don't think that what she did was unprincipled or unethical lol A Likud and Bibi supported is not allowed is discuss what is ethical or not, as they have no understanding of the concept. Let me tell you a secret, Today’s Likud is much cleaner and ethical then Israeli Labour was before the 00s and Bibi himself is less corrupt today then Olment,Sharon and Barak were when they were in politics. |
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Post by nelson on Aug 21, 2022 6:01:15 GMT
Centre's economy spokesperson has said they want the Ministry of Finance, and that tax cuts and fewer restrictions for SMEs are "on top of the agenda" if they are to enter an S led government . He sees the German government as the model for a new Swedish government, not really taking into consideration that Die Linke aren't a part of Scholz' parliamentary base like the Left Party will have to be.
I can't really see the Left Party accepting Centre getting Finance and a lot of tax cuts and deregulation.
Left Party leader Nooshi Dadgostar on the attack against "political corruption", she wants the five parties caught on hidden camera to fully disclose their campaign donations.
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Post by nelson on Aug 22, 2022 12:51:17 GMT
Might be an outlier, but the Sweden Democrats are above 20% in the new Novus poll for public broadcaster SVT. SD haven't been above 20% in a none-panel based poll since May. The Liberals close to the threshold again. Changes from the previous Novus poll from a week ago in parenthesis.
Left Party 9.6 (-0.1)
Greens 5.5 (+1.0)
Social Democrats 27.8 (-0.7)
Centre 6.7 (+0.7)
Liberals 4.4 (-1.4)
Christian Democrats 6.0 (+0.4)
Moderates 17.4 (-2.2)
Sweden Democrats 21.5 (+2.7)
Others 1.1 (-0.4)
Magdalena Andersson would have 175 seats behind her (assuming Centre is on board) with 174 for Ulf Kristersson on those numbers.
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Post by nelson on Aug 22, 2022 13:41:23 GMT
If SD ends up being significantly bigger than M it would make it harder for the Liberals to back a Kristersson government because SD would demand more concessions and formalized influence (a Cooperation Committee with reps from SD and the government or something similar) and it'd be impossible to pretend they didn't influence the government much. And that's assuming SD wouldn't simply insist on being in the government (I tend to think they'd cave on that in the end, but it's not a given in that scenario).
The collapse of DPP in Denmark following their 2015 victory which made them the biggest party on the centre-right/right without getting into government or getting a formalized cooperation agreement with the Liberal government is something the SD leadership is keenly aware of, and they'll not support Kristersson without getting something tangible in return if they end up in a similar situation.
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Post by WJ on Aug 23, 2022 13:33:59 GMT
Voted this morning at the Budapest embassy. Today was the first day that the embassy opened for voting and there was a small group of voters there, but not much of a queue.
Standard style voting system. Piles of party-specific ballots and blank envelopes at the entrance, plus additional ballots in the booth itself if you wanted to be absolutely secret.
Then presented my passport and voting card at the embassy desk to be checked. Then when confirmed, my enveloped ballot was put into a larger envelope and popped in the box. Done and dusted.
I voted for Centerpartiet.
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Post by matureleft on Aug 23, 2022 21:42:40 GMT
Voted this morning at the Budapest embassy. Today was the first day that the embassy opened for voting and there was a small group of voters there, but not much of a queue. Standard style voting system. Piles of party-specific ballots and blank envelopes at the entrance, plus additional ballots in the booth itself if you wanted to be absolutely secret. Then presented my passport and voting card at the embassy desk to be checked. Then when confirmed, my enveloped ballot was put into a larger envelope and popped in the box. Done and dusted. I voted for Centerpartiet. Is that your normal vote? |
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Post by WJ on Aug 23, 2022 21:52:20 GMT
Voted this morning at the Budapest embassy. Today was the first day that the embassy opened for voting and there was a small group of voters there, but not much of a queue. Standard style voting system. Piles of party-specific ballots and blank envelopes at the entrance, plus additional ballots in the booth itself if you wanted to be absolutely secret. Then presented my passport and voting card at the embassy desk to be checked. Then when confirmed, my enveloped ballot was put into a larger envelope and popped in the box. Done and dusted. I voted for Centerpartiet. Is that your normal vote? It's my first Swedish general election as I only became a citizen in 2019. Did vote for them in the regionals and locals when I was still living there in 2018 though. Did not vote in the 2014 regionals and locals because I missed the election due to working from a tent in the Peruvian Amazon at the time. |
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Post by WJ on Aug 24, 2022 11:57:45 GMT
Oh and another minor nugget. Overseas vote tallies are not reported separately, but included in the tally for whichever voting district the voter was last registered in in Sweden. Therefore, despite casting my ballot in the embassy in Budapest, my vote will be recorded in the Norra Norby voting district of Uppsala.
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Post by nelson on Aug 25, 2022 17:29:45 GMT
New Novus poll has 182 seats for Kristersson and 167 and for Andersson. SD above 22%.
Left Party 8.5 (30)
SocDems 27.5 (97)
Greens 4.7 (17)
Centre 6.5 (23)
Liberals 6.0 (21)
Christian Democrats 5.5 (19)
Moderates 17.9 (63)
SD 22.4 (79)
Others 1.0
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Post by nelson on Aug 26, 2022 13:10:54 GMT
The Christian Democrats continue their attempt to attract rural Centre voters by suggesting 16-years should be allowed to drive, but only in "the heartland", a concept she doesn't want to define but which clearly doesn't include the big cities. The purpose is to get rid of the so-called EPA tractors.
"a type of emergency tractors made from a car or truck in Sweden. They were originally made to keep farming going during WW2 when there was a shortage of spare parts. Later they became popular with youths who were too young or unable to get an ordinary driving license. They were named "EPA" after EPA discount stores.
Rather cringey she suggests the driver's licens for minors should be known as the Busch card (Buschkort).
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It has been revealed that SD has a paid astroturfing network, but few people will be surprised about that so I doubt it'll matter.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 26, 2022 13:29:23 GMT
"a type of emergency tractors made from a car or truck in Sweden. They were originally made to keep farming going during WW2 when there was a shortage of spare parts. Later they became popular with youths who were too young or unable to get an ordinary driving license. They were named "EPA" after EPA discount stores. Rather cringey she suggests the driver's licens for minors should be known as the Busch card (Buschkort). Don't some American states have a youth farm vehicle license? It was a plot point of an episode of American Dad if I remember rightly. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 17:30:10 GMT
Rather cringey she suggests the driver's licens for minors should be known as the Busch card (Buschkort). ... Presuming a difference in slang between Swedish and English here. Because otherwise the jokes would write themselves. |
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Post by nelson on Aug 26, 2022 18:05:35 GMT
Rather cringey she suggests the driver's licens for minors should be known as the Busch card (Buschkort). ... Presuming a difference in slang between Swedish and English here. Because otherwise the jokes would write themselves. Yes, the association is to busskort (bus pass), nothing funny or raunchy about it in Swedish. I just found the idea of naming it after herself cringe, and then she combined it with the silly americanism about "the heartland" (hjärtlandet), which she has promoted since last year with vague small town-ish, rural and "authentic" associations (and anti-multicultural, det svenska hjärtlandet clearly refers to the most ethnically homogenous parts of the country). |
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Post by nelson on Aug 31, 2022 7:21:01 GMT
If you believe Sento (which you probably shouldn't given their track record) SD is now the biggest party, although only marginally so. Still, we're at a point where you can once again credibly pretend they're ahead, which is telling in itself.
Kristersson for PM: 54.0
Liberals 4.0
Moderates 18.7
Christian Democrats 6.9
Sweden Democrats 24.4
Andersson for PM: 43.9
Left Party 9.6
Greens 4.4
Social Democrats 24.1
Centre 5.8
Minor "progressive" parties: 0.6
Feminist Initiative 0.3
Pirates 0.3
Minor right wing populist parties: 0.9
Citizens' Coalition 0.3
Alternative for Sweden 0.6
Others 0.5
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Post by nelson on Aug 31, 2022 10:52:11 GMT
One trend that's consistent across polls is that the Moderates are underperforming expectations, it started when they presented plans to cut unemployment and sick leave benefits, which seems to have moved a lot of "blue working class" voters to SD right away, and combined with a generally sub-standard campaign (especially on social media) and a completely underwhelming performance by their economy spokesperson Elisabeth Svantesson, who has failed to present a comprehensive economic crisis plan or any kind of coherent vision of how Sweden should deal with the current crisis, and is going on about lowering taxes on petrol and plastic bags in situations where you'd expect her to present something a bit more substantial. A campaign focused on energy supply and crime should be excellent for M, since S is vulnerable on both, due to their record and the parties they have to cooperate with, but if you don't have a comprehensive economic plan in the middle of crisis that everyone knows will get worse before it gets better and is up against someone with Magdalena Andersson's economic knowledge and credentials that cancels out the favourite playing field advantage.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 31, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
SENTIO's numbers are indeed uncredible, not only because the incumbent S-PrimeMinister is popular contrary to the M-challenger and the latter's campaign is insufficient, but also because of that pollster's awful trackRecord, cf. the final polls of all companies for the last election:  ...and even, when taking into account all polls, they were usually among the worst:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 1, 2022 5:17:30 GMT
As we might be busy with the federal election itself, i point already now to these maps&explanations for the local level: twitter.com/ajrelectionmaps?lang=deIncumbent Coalitions in regional councils:  CityCouncil-Coalitions (of over 50.000 inHab.):  |
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