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Post by finsobruce on Apr 6, 2023 17:13:09 GMT
There's another interesting one further down the list about party funding. Anyone hankering for state funding of political parties might want to give it a read... |
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Post by nelson on Apr 12, 2023 0:34:03 GMT
As expected Green leader Maria Ohisalo announced this morning that she's not running for reelection at the party conference in June. Ohisalo is significantly to the left of the median MP on economics and social issues, and one of her most likely successors is deputy leader Atte Harjanne, a 38 year old engineer and climate researcher from the capital region, from the party's economic right wing so there could be a significant change in ideological profile and style.
Harjanne is the sort of centrist, pragmatic Green with good private sector connections that could fit in an NCP led government, his main causes are climate change and biodiversity, not anything woke/culture war related, he's very pro-nuclear and has a solid foreign policy and defence knowledge (he is e.g. on the advisory board of the Foreign Policy Institute). More than half a dozen MPs say they are considering running, so it remains to be seen how divided the field will be.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 12, 2023 4:50:31 GMT
As expected Green leader Maria Ohisalo announced this morning that she's not running for reelection at the party conference in June. Ohisalo is significantly to the left of the median MP on economics and social issues, and one of her most likely successors is deputy leader Atte Harjanne, a 38 year old engineer and climate researcher from the capital region, from the party's economic right wing so there could be a significant change in ideological profile and style. Harjanne is the sort of centrist, pragmatic Green with good private sector connections that could fit in an NCP led government, his main causes are climate change and biodiversity, not anything woke/culture war related, he's very pro-nuclear and has a solid foreign policy and defence knowledge (he is e.g. on the advisory board of the Foreign Policy Institute). More than half a dozen MPs say they are considering running, so it remains to be seen how divided the field will be. Pro-Nuclear Green? 😁 Btw, do you think Ohisalo’s leftism was part of the reason as to why the party did poorly? |
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Post by nelson on Apr 12, 2023 8:04:57 GMT
As expected Green leader Maria Ohisalo announced this morning that she's not running for reelection at the party conference in June. Ohisalo is significantly to the left of the median MP on economics and social issues, and one of her most likely successors is deputy leader Atte Harjanne, a 38 year old engineer and climate researcher from the capital region, from the party's economic right wing so there could be a significant change in ideological profile and style. Harjanne is the sort of centrist, pragmatic Green with good private sector connections that could fit in an NCP led government, his main causes are climate change and biodiversity, not anything woke/culture war related, he's very pro-nuclear and has a solid foreign policy and defence knowledge (he is e.g. on the advisory board of the Foreign Policy Institute). More than half a dozen MPs say they are considering running, so it remains to be seen how divided the field will be. Pro-Nuclear Green? 😁 Btw, do you think Ohisalo’s leftism was part of the reason as to why the party did poorly? If you actually take the climate crisis seriously that's a very logical position. There has been criticism of the Greens from some MPs an ex-MPs for having limited themselves to fishing in the same pond as the two leftist parties, but another criticism (from e.g. Ville Niinistö, the party leader that took them to their highest level) has been to have shed their old optimistic, visionary image and being perceived as a party that says no to everything, which is a bit more complex than just left/right. Making the Finns Party their antagonist is universally seen as having been a net loss. They also used to be a principled anti-consumerism/pro-thrift party that wanted a less materialist society, which had some appeal to older generations growing up in a less affluent Finland and in general recycling, prudent use of resources and thriftiness fits into Finnish culture, during the pandemic and cost of living crisis the government handed out big subsidies to companies and consumers without it being targeted and suddenly the Greens were boosting electricity consumption and propping up companies producing "wasteful" products and they lost the "thriftiness niche". Of course that's a balance in a time of crisis, but they handled it wrong and demanded targeted subsidies too late. I general being practical idealists focusing on green issues in day to day politics and a less consumerist and less stressful future in a steady-state economy as a goal seem to be what most of the critics want them to return to. |
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Post by nelson on Apr 12, 2023 13:55:42 GMT
Orpo has been elected (temporary) Speaker today which gives him a mandate to lead the negotiations, he'll be formally elected as the Inquirer (the standard Nordic term for the one who leads a government formation process) on Friday and will send questionnaires to all the parties on policy matters and preferences regarding the coalition negotiations and says he expects them to have been returned early next week. When he has received the parties' replies he'll announce which parties will be invited to the final negotiations.
What sets Finland apart from the other Nordic is that the Speaker and the Inquirer is the same person during the government formation process.
Juho Eerola from the Finns Party became First Deputy Speaker and Tarja Filatov (SDP) Second Deputy Speaker.
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Post by nelson on Apr 17, 2023 8:37:24 GMT
The three favourites to take over after Marin are considered to be: Parliamentary group chairman Antti Lindtman (40) who was the right wing's candidate to take over after Antti Rinne but lost out to Marin. He has called a press conference later this afternoon where he's expected to declare. From Vantaa in the capital region. Deputy chairman Niina Malm (40) who got the most votes in her native Southern Carelia and has a background in local politics and the trade unions, she's the candidate of the party's traditional trade union based left wing. She has battled cancer and couldn't campaign, has a reputation as a fighter and is very well liked by the grass roots and with classical SocDem views. Minister of Development and Foreign Trade Ville Skinnari (49), who is a former professional ice hockey player (and the son of one) and lawyer, his main cause is "green growth" via a thorough transformation of the economy leading to jobs and export opportunities. From Helsinki and with appeal to progressive urban middle class voters. Lindtman is considered the favourite if SDP decides to enter a coalition, if they go into opposition it'll be more open. EDIT: at the press conference Lindtman wouldn't say whether he is running, but that he will think about it over Easter and announce within a couple of weeks. Antti Lindtman has announced his candidacy. |
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Post by nelson on Apr 18, 2023 13:35:04 GMT
All parties have answered Orpo's questions apart from Centre, which have thereby officially opted out of the government negotiations.
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Post by nelson on Apr 27, 2023 11:27:03 GMT
Orpo has announced that NCP, the Finns, SPP and the Christian Democrats will start negotiations about forming a centre-right coalition.
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Post by pl on Apr 27, 2023 11:31:13 GMT
Orpo has announced that NCP, the Finns, SPP and the Christian Democrats will start negotiations about forming a centre-right coalition. Oh dear... I shouldn't read Vote UK between doors whilst canvassing.... It took me a moment to work out why National Car Parks were starting coalition agreements... |
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Post by nelson on Apr 27, 2023 11:39:52 GMT
Asked about how to reconcile the SPP and the Finns Party's opposite views on immigration (YLE reporter: "you're like fire and water on that issue") the Finns' leader Riikka Purra opens up for allowing more labour migration in return for a stricter refugee policy, SPP's leader just says the negotiations will be complex.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 27, 2023 15:12:43 GMT
Orpo has announced that NCP, the Finns, SPP and the Christian Democrats will start negotiations about forming a centre-right coalition. Oh dear... I shouldn't read Vote UK between doors whilst canvassing.... It took me a moment to work out why National Car Parks were starting coalition agreements... And the British National Party appear to have a chain of banks.... |
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Post by nelson on Jun 15, 2023 20:55:16 GMT
Negotiations concluded. The four parties have agreed to form a coalition. The Swedish People's Party and the Finns Party are really going to be in government together, strange times.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 15, 2023 21:16:04 GMT
Negotiations concluded. The four parties have agreed to form a coalition. The Swedish People's Party and the Finns Party are really going to be in government together, strange times. Vote Finns for Mandatory Swedish. Amazing times we live in. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 15, 2023 22:41:29 GMT
Negotiations concluded. The four parties have agreed to form a coalition. The Swedish People's Party and the Finns Party are really going to be in government together, strange times. Vote Finns for Mandatory Swedish. Amazing times we live in. There is nothing in the core ideology of either parties that prevent a link up. The SPP want certain privileges for the Swedish minority. The Finns are hardly enthusiastic for that but it doesn't really go against their core agenda. The thing with parties who exist to represent a small minority is that they can easily be bought off by governments that they would otherwise be totally opposed to. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 15, 2023 23:00:38 GMT
Vote Finns for Mandatory Swedish. Amazing times we live in. There is nothing in the core ideology of either parties that prevent a link up. The SPP want certain privileges for the Swedish minority. The Finns are hardly enthusiastic for that but it doesn't really go against their core agenda. The thing with parties who exist to represent a small minority is that they can easily be bought off by governments that they would otherwise be totally opposed to. A fair point. It's a long-standing argument that the SPP basically have zero ideology bar the use of Swedish. They aren't even really committed to bilingualism - Finnish is essentially banned on the Aland Islands. |
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Post by nelson on Jun 16, 2023 8:48:19 GMT
Vote Finns for Mandatory Swedish. Amazing times we live in. There is nothing in the core ideology of either parties that prevent a link up. The SPP want certain privileges for the Swedish minority. The Finns are hardly enthusiastic for that but it doesn't really go against their core agenda. The thing with parties who exist to represent a small minority is that they can easily be bought off by governments that they would otherwise be totally opposed to. While a minority party has to be somewhat broad tent SPP is in many ways the Swedish speaking part of the Social Liberal party Finland doesn't really otherwise have and they're among the most pro-immigration, pro-refugees and "diversity" parties, that was a bigger problem in the negotiations than language policy where both sides just have to accept the status quo. The Finns still don't like Swedish but nowadays they prioritize the fight against multilingualism (giving any rights to speakers of ethnic minority languages) over bilingualism. The SPP's climate policy is also quite green and far from the Finns. SPP have some small c-conservative rural voters, that are more religious and have traditional family values, but they typically have a "live and let live" attitude. The SPP is like the LibDems with more rural strength and more Tim Farron types in a much more thinly populated country. Certainly not a party that can easily cooperate with a right wing populist party and they risk losing a lot of younger, female voters in the south. Among Swedish speakers they're overrepresented in Ostrobothnia (the north), the elderly and do a bit better with female voters than male. They are safe in Ostrobothnia with the Christian Democrats going into government with them, but their very liberal female vote in the south will have a big problem with the coalition and it's a party that already has an aging electorate. 72% of Swedish speakers above 70 voted SPP, but only 44% among people in the 30s and 46% in the 18-29 group. The coalition will almost inevitably push them below 40% with voters under 40 and they could easily drop lower and with the Finnish electoral system disproportionally losing votes in the S/SW will cost seats. Given how small a group Swedish speakers are SPP needs to remain a majority party among them both to get seats and to remain "the voice of the community" so they need to attract young and young-ish voters who really loathe the Finns. A pre-election poll of SPP voters had the Finns as the least popular coalition partner by some margin among all age groups and across all regions. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2023 19:02:19 GMT
A few Swedish-speakers have made it to the top of Swedish politics, but mainly outside Svecophone parties. And not necessarily to the top jobs.
Alexander Stubb was the last Swedish-speaking PM, and before that-maybe Fagerholm?
Last native speaker of Swedish to be president - Paasikivi?
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Post by johnloony on Jun 17, 2023 21:43:31 GMT
A few Swedish-speakers have made it to the top of Swedish politics, but mainly outside Svecophone parties. And not necessarily to the top jobs. Alexander Stubb was the last Swedish-speaking PM, and before that-maybe Fagerholm? Last native speaker of Swedish to be president - Paasikivi? Do you mean “the top of Finnish politics”? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2023 22:42:51 GMT
A few Swedish-speakers have made it to the top of Swedish politics, but mainly outside Svecophone parties. And not necessarily to the top jobs. Alexander Stubb was the last Swedish-speaking PM, and before that-maybe Fagerholm? Last native speaker of Swedish to be president - Paasikivi? Do you mean “the top of Finnish politics”? Indeed, excessive use of the word Swedish. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 17, 2023 23:34:57 GMT
A few Swedish-speakers have made it to the top of Swedish politics, but mainly outside Svecophone parties. And not necessarily to the top jobs. Alexander Stubb was the last Swedish-speaking PM, and before that-maybe Fagerholm? Last native speaker of Swedish to be president - Paasikivi? Pater patriae v.MANNERHEIM was initially not able at all to speak Finnish... |
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